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Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
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D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, 8 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 08/02/2025 17:59, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2025, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 08/02/2025 07:36, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>> IMHO, a lot of this is just "busy work" from
>>>>>    people looking for something to do. Their
>>>>>    idea of "better" means "better for ME - and
>>>>>    screw YOU". It's not better for the average,
>>>>>    or even professional, user.
>>>>
>>>> In my careers - I have had several - us Engineers were humble 
>>>> creatures who wrote clean workmanlike well documented and tested 
>>>> code in the hope that no one would ever have to write it again, and 
>>>> if they did, it would be instantly understandable. Code was. to 
>>>> quote my friend 'Higgy',  'all just bits, in silicon'.
>>>>
>>>> Later I encountered computer scientists who spoke a strange language 
>>>> with artistic terms in it like 'elegance' 'intellectual purity' 
>>>> 'algorithmic efficiency'  'Turing complete' 'object oriented' and 
>>>> other words that seemed to have nothing whatever to do with actually 
>>>> writing testing and debugging clean code that met the spec and 
>>>> worked in a timescale less than eternity...
>>>>
>>>> I decided they were all frustrated ArtStudents™ with Physics envy 
>>>> who could not  do HardSums™
>>>
>>> Haha, brilliant!
>>>
>>>> And should never be let anywhere near a critical project.
>>>
>>> I am fascinated by the fact that when it comes to programming, there 
>>> can be an enormous disconnect between academic programmers, and a guy 
>>> in his room who just pounded out the code and got the work done.
>>>
>>> I'm not saying he did it in the most "elegant" way or the best 
>>> documented way, but I do claim that in many instances, the guy 
>>> without the official training is able to do it.
>>>
>>> Reminds me of when I went to university. I often had to help the A 
>>> students with their practical assignments, and I got it done. On the 
>>> theory part however, they were always the A students.
>>
>> There is computer science, and there is software engineering.
>> Textbooks on software engineering are worth reading
> 
> I don't think I ever had the patience to become a professional 
> programmer. When I graduated there was no market for programmers, so I 
> ended up in infrastrucutre, or what the young whipper snappers now a 
> days call "devops".
> 
> My most powerful software was a multi-path checker to a storage system 
> that held a lot of pension money.
> 
> It was written in bash. =D
> 
> Ok, ok... I wrote a GUI for some kind of batch job mgmt software that 
> IBM hobbled together in order to trace dependencies, that was done in 
> python.
> 
> Apart from that, I don't think I ever did much programming that was not 
> related to devops and getting servers to do their job and monitor them, 
> and deploying them.

and the farmer took another load away