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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: ltlee1@hotmail.com (ltlee1) Newsgroups: soc.culture.china Subject: Re: The End of US Democracy Was All Too Predictable by Jason Stanley Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2024 14:48:01 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <ac8ae20a5b04244d5e190169c65c57ff@www.novabbs.com> References: <2891969d07336130229e3d615272b063@www.novabbs.com> <2d66d232f09afba3e0ed50ea5357e2a1@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1832415"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="pxsmGrN7Y7mF0hfJcY//7F6kiWqDRq/tZN4FOOcim3s"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$wvSl0CWLEYftetkk3ph/puKeTvY6olNH2HibIMrirXLPnGuwND6Wa X-Rslight-Posting-User: 0099cdd7dc5bd7b25c488bf8bcfab81a117b2ffc X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 4353 Lines: 63 Questioning the Britannica Chatbot: "Question1 In what way is Plato's conception of democracy should be considered anachronistic? Britannica Chatbot Plato's conception of democracy can be considered anachronistic when compared to modern understandings of democracy due to several key differences. In his works, particularly "The Republic," Plato critiques democracy as a system where the masses, driven by desires and passions, rule without the necessary knowledge or virtue, leading to disorder and eventual tyranny. He believed that only philosopher-kings, who possess true knowledge and wisdom, should govern, as they can apprehend the eternal Forms and promote the good life and social harmony. Plato's critique reflects the direct democracy of ancient Athens, where only a minority of the population, excluding women, slaves, and foreigners, could participate. This contrasts sharply with modern representative democracies, which emphasize broader participation and the protection of individual rights through institutions and laws. Furthermore, the evolution of democracy has seen the transition from direct to representative systems, allowing for governance in larger nation-states, which would have been inconceivable in Plato's time. Question2: What would preclude the masses, driven by desires and passions, without necessary knowledge or virtue, from choosing tyrannical leaders? Chatbot: In democratic systems, checks and balances play a crucial role in preventing the rise of tyrannical leaders by ensuring that power is distributed and regulated among different branches of government. This system is primarily applied in constitutional governments, where separate branches—typically legislative, executive, and judicial—are empowered to prevent actions by other branches and are induced to share power. This separation of powers is fundamental in tripartite governments, such as that of the United States, where each branch has specific powers and responsibilities that can counterbalance the others. The framers of the U.S. Constitution, influenced by thinkers like Montesquieu, believed that checks and balances were essential for safeguarding liberty. They designed a system where each branch could check the others, thus preventing any single entity from gaining excessive power. For instance, the president can veto legislation, but Congress can override this veto with a two-thirds majority. Similarly, the judiciary has the power of judicial review to ensure that legislative and executive actions are constitutional. Additionally, informal checks and balances have evolved, such as the congressional committee system and the role of political parties, which further help to distribute power and prevent tyranny. In some systems, like parliamentary ones, checks and balances may operate through mechanisms such as no-confidence votes and the ability of a government to dissolve parliament. Overall, checks and balances are designed to prevent the concentration of power and ensure that leaders remain accountable to the people, thus reducing the risk of tyranny." --------------------------------- In the sense, the Britannica Chatbot see US democracy as "End of history" system. Of course, such belief is more Faith than Reality based.