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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: The Lime sock on Stephan Pickering and NAMBLA
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 20:55:15 +0000
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On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 11:21:42 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 16:15:27 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka
> "HarryLime" wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:06:00 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>
> snip
>
>>>> At some point Jim and Pickles got into a flamewar regarding Ginsberg.  I
>>>> don't recall who started it.
>>>
>>> Well, allow me to refresh your memory. Jim and Stephan first got into
>>> flamewars after you formed Team Monkey with him and NastyGoon (NG), a
>>> Pickering troll.
>>
>> You're opening sentence is a delusional lie, George.  I never formed any
>> team.  There was no "Team Monkey."
>>
>> I was on a friendly basis with Jim from the first time he posted here
>> (that is to say, the first time after my having joined the group).
>
> Everyone was on a friendly basis with him originally; he mostly posted
> his own poetry; mostly the same dozen or less poems that we'd all read,
> with the titles constantly changing so we'd read them again, but no one
> flamed him for that.

Yes, things were not bad in the early years, I remember when he first
arrived, he called himself Blackpool Jimmy and pretended he was British.

I remember he even was friendly with Karla Rogers after our truce began,
not long before she left the poetry newsgroups.

> If he got into a flamewar with Stephan over
> Ginsberg (and I'll accept your claim that that came first), that would
> have been his first flamewar. But when he got into his flamewar with
> Stephan (possibly  because he was upset that Stephan had been "impolite"
> to him), and because you were also upset that Stephan had been
> "impolite" to you), the two of you began to flame Stephan together. You
> went from having a friendly relationship to forming a troll alliance.

That's how I remember it, and I remember the two of them saying I was
their friend so I needed to join them in driving Stephan Pickering from
the newsgroup.

>> When NancyGene first came to the group, she was trolling Pickles -- and
>> since Pickles was your ally, she soon joined Brooke, ME, Usenet
>> Editor, and friends in attacking

Did all these trolls also move to the Facebook group?

Good riddance.

> So "Dr." NastyGoon (who was trolling and flaming Stephan) formed an
> alliance with mini-ME (who was trolling and flaming Will) to troll and
> flame both of them; and because you and your Chimp also had an alliance
> to troll and flame Stephan, the four of you formed an alliance to troll
> and flame both of of them. That's the genesis of "Team Monkey" in a
> nutshell.
>
>> When they showed that they were willing to work with me in establishing
>> peace at AAPC, I stopped fighting with them.  Stopping fights is the
>> first step to establishing peace.
>
> But, as you've just told us, you didn't establish any peace or stopping
> any fights. You just switched from (allegedly) attacking them to
> attacking Will and Stephan - you formed the troll alliance alliance that
> I later called "Team Monkey". To continue:
>
>>> The first thing you did was invite NG into Jim's Sunday Sampler,
>>> where
>>> they (NG's preferred pronoun) would write trollpoems about Stephan. The
>>> result would be Stephan jumping into the Sampler, which would result in
>>> JIm
>>> flaming him and others (for example, Richard Oakley) also being turned
>>> against Jim. I doubt that either Jim nor STephan realized that you were
>>> manipulating them for that outcome.
>
>> Eventually I came to like and respect
>> NancyGene and ME, and we became friends.  This was a nature progression
>> of our engaging in friendly poetry-related discussions together -- and
>> had nothing to do with having created some made up "Team."
>
> You became allies (or, to use your term, online "friends") with two
> trolls and the four of you then began trolling and flaming Will and
> Stephan. You just don't like my calling your alliance "Team Monkey."
>
>> You might also recall that I was *not* attacking the Donkey at that
>> time.  Rather than having formed an anti-Donkey team, I had taken a
>> neutral position and adopted a friendly stance toward both sides.
>
> Of course it's better for a team to attack one person at a time; but of
> course you had to start trolling and flaming Will, since
> "Dr." NastyGoon and mini-ME were already trolling him as well.
>
>> The Donkey saw my increasing friendship with his enemies as a form of
>> betrayal on my part (a "what have you done for me lately?" type of
>> deal), and began openly opposing my attempts to establish peace.
>
> Once again, your trolling and flaming were doing nothing to "establish
> peace" on the group. In fact, by bringing the flamewars into your
> Chimp's Sunday Sampler, you had destroyed the one oasis of peace.
>
>>> After Jim and Stephan became engaged in a prolonged flamewar, both on
>>> and
>>> off the Sampler, the second thing you did was start flooding the group
>>> with
>>> a nasty, libellous document that NG had written.
>
> snip

I was planning to respond to this entire post but I have to leave for a
while.

To be continued.