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Path: ...!news.snarked.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Kicking the straw-man deception out on its ass Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2025 16:29:48 -0500 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <aff6ceb585b4f024c238d901362389163051aac8@i2pn2.org> References: <vq2i40$ug75$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2025 21:29:48 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2554196"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <vq2i40$ug75$3@dont-email.me> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3256 Lines: 60 On 3/2/25 4:21 PM, olcott wrote: > int DD() > { > int Halt_Status = HHH(DD); > if (Halt_Status) > HERE: goto HERE; > return Halt_Status; > } > > _DD() > [00002133] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping > [00002134] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping > [00002136] 51 push ecx ; make space for local > [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD > [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD) > [00002141] 83c404 add esp,+04 > [00002144] 8945fc mov [ebp-04],eax > [00002147] 837dfc00 cmp dword [ebp-04],+00 > [0000214b] 7402 jz 0000214f > [0000214d] ebfe jmp 0000214d > [0000214f] 8b45fc mov eax,[ebp-04] > [00002152] 8be5 mov esp,ebp > [00002154] 5d pop ebp > [00002155] c3 ret > Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155] > > DD emulated by HHH according to the behavior that DD > specifies cannot possibly reach its own "ret" instruction > and terminate normally. WHich only shows that HHH can not correctly emulate its input and give an answer. Since the halting problem is *NOT* about the emulation done by the decider, you are just working on a strawman. > > This process computes the mapping from the actual input > (not any other damn thing) finite string to the non > terminating behavior that this finite specifies when > it calls its own emulator in recursive emulation. > > Another different instance that does not call its own > emulator in recursive emulation is not the same damn thing. > But what emulator is looking at a program can not matter. It seems you theory of programming has a significant deviation from the standard model, likely because you just don't understand the meaning of the basic terms. For instance, the DD you have shown is *NOT* a complete program by itself, as it is using an unknown function that isn't defined, that of HHH. Once you include a definition of HHH, then it becomes clear that either HHH does the correct simulation and doesn't answer, or it doesn't do the correct simulation, and gives the wrong answer. Thus, your whole system is in error because you are just too stupid to understand what you are talking about.