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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Kicking the straw-man deception
 out on its ass
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2025 16:29:48 -0500
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On 3/2/25 4:21 PM, olcott wrote:
> int DD()
> {
>    int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
>    if (Halt_Status)
>      HERE: goto HERE;
>    return Halt_Status;
> }
> 
> _DD()
> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp
> [00002155] c3         ret
> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
> 
> DD emulated by HHH according to the behavior that DD
> specifies cannot possibly reach its own "ret" instruction
> and terminate normally.

WHich only shows that HHH can not correctly emulate its input and give 
an answer.

Since the halting problem is *NOT* about the emulation done by the 
decider, you are just working on a strawman.

> 
> This process computes the mapping from the actual input
> (not any other damn thing) finite string to the non
> terminating behavior that this finite specifies when
> it calls its own emulator in recursive emulation.
> 
> Another different instance that does not call its own
> emulator in recursive emulation is not the same damn thing.
> 

But what emulator is looking at a program can not matter.

It seems you theory of programming has a significant deviation from the 
standard model, likely because you just don't understand the meaning of 
the basic terms.

For instance, the DD you have shown is *NOT* a complete program by 
itself, as it is using an unknown function that isn't defined, that of HHH.

Once you include a definition of HHH, then it becomes clear that either 
HHH does the correct simulation and doesn't answer, or it doesn't do the 
correct simulation, and gives the wrong answer.

Thus, your whole system is in error because you are just too stupid to 
understand what you are talking about.