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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> Newsgroups: sci.physics,uk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Energy used in a horizontal hold - timed weightlifting Followup-To: sci.physics Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2024 08:53:16 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: <aketlk-ecqc1.ln1@gonzo.specsol.net> References: <v6ghj0$rknm$1@dont-email.me> Injection-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2024 18:01:05 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="0afe283216ed4d7f6e8113a8c0406966"; logging-data="996157"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19e0GYPeh/ER12CG1pNkUzM" User-Agent: tin/2.6.2-20220130 ("Convalmore") (Linux/5.15.0-113-lowlatency (x86_64)) Cancel-Lock: sha1:J6LQ5zqqUGgSqUB60br80eCZ520= Bytes: 2382 In sci.physics Dave <dwickford@yahoo.com> wrote: > Here's a very simple question: > How do you calculate the energy used by a sportsperson with a timed > horizonal hold? You hold out a 10kg kettlebell (women) or a 18kg > kettlebell (men) horizontally in front of you for as long as possible, > and the person who hold it out longest wins. > > Obviously the longer you hold, the harder it gets until it's torture > from lactic acid build up, and you give up. > > The physics I've been taught has no anwser, since energy is newton > meters. I'm politely suggesting that the energy unit needs a > rework to include time, and per relativity spacetime. > > Said spectacle isn't in competition so much, too many awkward > questions? Answer from bad or stupid teachers is: > "You're not making any sense. Energy is force times distance". > > Some videos talk about specific impulse, which is force times > time, but this isn't worked into anything else. > > To make the competition even between long arm and short arm people, > it may be fairer to hold it out for a set distance, not with > locked elbows. You are conflating physics and physiology. Replace the biological entity with a wooden cross and you have the answer from physics, i.e. zero energy is used. To get an answer from physiology you need to understand how muscles work.