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On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 20:01:44 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 12/31/2024 2:22 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 13:00:00 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 12/31/2024 6:25 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> Then, each of them donned dark
>>> goggles so they couldn't distinguish the instruments by sight and tested
>>> out these top fiddles in two 75-minute sessions, one in a small room and
>>> one in a 300-seat auditorium.
>> (...)
>>> If you read that before, you should have taken notes when reading "75
>>> minute sessions" and "300-seat auditorium."
>> 
>> Note that there were TWO 75 minute sessions.  I know little about
>> string instruments, but I assume that they are much like playing a
>> piano, with which I'm more familiar.  I need about 5 minutes to become
>> accustomed to the keyboard and 10 additional minutes to "warm up"
>> which is mostly loosening the finger muscles.  However, playing the
>> remaining 60 minutes, in one sitting, seems rather excessive,
>> especially without intermission:
>> <https://www.hellosimply.com/blog/piano-culture/piano-recital/>
>> Besides an intermission, some time should be allocated for the
>> musician to tune his violin and apply the necessary rosin.
>> 
>> Do you have a link to the source of this test?  This seems to be your
>> source:
>> <https://www.science.org/content/article/elite-violinists-fail-distinguish-legendary-violins-modern-fiddles>
>> It's behind a paywall but is easily bypassed.  There doesn't seem to
>> be any new information on the testing details.  So, I go to the
>> source:
>> "Soloist evaluations of six Old Italian and six new violins"
>> <https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1323367111>
>...
>
>I didn't read through all the information there, mostly because I've 
>read tons about this issue, and violin acoustics in general, over the 
>decades. Our department had a budget line item for Library purchases, 
>and I think the most expensive item I ever requested was for a book on 
>violin construction written by a team of two brothers who were part time 
>luthiers, one of whom was a machinist, the other a degreed Mechanical 
>Engineer. Their innovation, as described in one of my journal articles, 
>was the construction of several measuring tools to consistently measure 
>bending and torsional resistance along different axes of violin tops and 
>backs - an operation generally carried out with bare hands and judgment.
>
>But over the decades, articles on violin acoustics, etc. have appeared 
>in many technical journals, plus popular scientific publications like 
>Scientific American. I probably have phototcopies of some of those 
>articles in my pre-internet filing cabinet.
>
>Again, comparisons of Strads (and the like) vs. top quality modern 
>violins have taken place since at least the 1800s. Dedicated experts in 
>acoustics, instrument construction, materials, etc. have been very 
>curious about this issue for a long, long time. Look up Ernst Chladni 
>and the use of Chladni Patterns to analyze the vibration of complex 
>plates, like violin tops and backs.
>
>But that matters little here. Our little local "skeptic" is perfectly 
>convinced that he (who has probably never played a violin) knows as much 
>about violin acoustics as Chladni or Stradivari or any other acoustic 
>expert; and that what he doesn't know is just a matter of opinion, with 
>every opinion being equally correct; and that all tests are biased, in 
>particular those that give results that are at odds with his 
>predetermined but ignorant opinions.

I assume Krygowski is referencing me... and, so;

I never claimed to know anything about violin construction; I have no
interest in violin construction. 

I also have no interest in other people opinions about which violins
are best. I believe that the better test is how well someone plays an
instrument than the tonal qualities of the instrument itself. A good
violin player can make a poor quality violin sound very good, but a
Stradivarius will not make a terrible violin player sound good.

As for all opinions being equally correct; No, my opinion is always
the best one, but if I believe someone else might have a quality
opinion, I may read what they wrote or perhaps ask them. I may
consider what they say, but the final analysis is that my opinion
reigns supreme over all other opinions. 

However, I am not inclined to try to convince others unless their
opinions effect me, and that is a very rare occurrence. 

By the way, Krygowski, I decided long ago that your opinions have no
value at all, so there would be no value for me to try to change them,

....and finally, yes, I believe all published studies and polling is
biased, and even if they weren't, I don't care what their group
thinking conclusions are. Unlike you, being part of a majority opinion
is not one of my motivations. I have no problem being singular.

I know you don't understand that, Krygowski. You're driven by your
pathetic need to be accepted and valued by others. I only require
being happy with myself,  and I am.