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In article <v2q9me$2ce49$1@dont-email.me>,
 moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On 5/23/2024 10:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > On May 23, 2024 at 7:29:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> >>>> So, if you mean to defend against this "incitement of hatred"
> >>>> charge, you'll have to argue either that the very concept is
> >>>> unconstitutional
> >>>   
> >>> Well, we're talking about Germany here not America, so 'unconstitutional'
> >>> isn't on the table, but yes, if this kind of law were to be passed here,
> >>> it would absolutely without question be unconstitutional.
> >>>   
> >>>> or that there's no valid reason it applies here.
> >>>   
> >>> There's no valid reason it should apply anywhere.
> >>
> >> Yet "incitement to hate" is a thing you recognize and deplore. (Isn't
> >> it?)
> > 
> > No.
> 
> Then I venture that you're purer than most. How do you characterize, 
> e.g., a speech alleging that Jews drink the blood of infants? Isn't 
> there a key difference to saying, e.g., Jews are Martians?

Cattle can be incited to action.

Humans are responsible for their own actions. You don't get to duck 
responsibility for rioting or hating or whatever by claiming someone 
incited you and you became a mindless automaton incapable of independent 
thought or action.

If you're hating, it's because you chose to, not because someone incited 
you.