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In article <v5fvh9$1uphg$4@dont-email.me>,
 moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On 6/25/2024 6:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <v5ffk0$1ns3d$8@dont-email.me>,
> >   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 6/25/2024 3:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>> In article <v57ep4$3u7ea$2@dont-email.me>,
> >>>    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 6/22/2024 1:20 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 23:13:14 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> But we don't care about the law as written, remember? It's only the
> >>>>>>> spirit we should be concerned with. And the spirit of private 
> >>>>>>> property laws certainly does allow for warning off mobs of people
> >>>>>>> in the middle of nationwide violent riots from trespassing on your
> >>>>>>> land and doing you harm.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Even if that were (absurdly) the "spirit" of private property, there 
> >>>>>> are other laws, including common-sense ones, whose "spirit" figures
> >>>>>> in, too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nevertheless there are few cases in law where a warning to the bad
> >>>>> guys is required. One of the key points in the Bouchie case was that
> >>>>> in was on a farm a minimum of 1/2 hour from the nearest police station
> >>>>> and where 4 drunken people came onto his farm, one attempting to get
> >>>>> into the farmer's locked truck.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In such situations (particularly with no immediate expectation of
> >>>>> police attendance) I'm going to err on the side of the homeowner - and
> >>>>> I wouldn't impose any further burden on the homeowner because he had
> >>>>> reason to believe one or more of the 4 people in their truck was
> >>>>> inebriated or of a different ethnicity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Colten_Boushie
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This particular verdict got roughly the same reaction as the OJ
> >>>>> Simpson case but on a smaller scale and I guarantee Rhino would
> >>>>> remember it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's an instructive (but fictional) example:
> >>>>
> >>>>       The trespasser steps off the sidewalk and sits down on your lawn.
> >>>>
> >>>>       You brandish your gun, saying, "Get off my lawn or I'll shoot."
> >>>>
> >>>>       He yawns and remains seated.
> >>>>
> >>>>       Comic-book fantasies aside, what do you do?
> >>>
> >>> That's why you don't threaten deadly force unless you're willing to use
> >>> it.
> >>>
> >>> However that's a separate issue from whether just holding a gun as a
> >>> screaming unruly mob-- which is already trespassing by its mere
> >>> presence-- marches up the street toward you in the middle of a
> >>> nationwide paroxysm of violence to which the police seem unwilling or
> >>> unable to stand in opposition is, or ought to be, a criminal act.
> >>
> >> In the circumstances you yourself paint, there's obviously no such thing
> >> as "*JUST* holding a gun".
> 
> > Were the rooftop Koreans during the Rodney King riots criminals?
> 
> I don't remember what you're talking about ...but possibly they were 
> threatening deadly force.

Google it.

Theirs were among the only stores in those neighborhoods not looted 
and/or burned, so apparently whatever they were threatening, it was 
justified.