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From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
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Subject: Re: 5th Circuit Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban
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In article <v52n7s$2v630$4@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> 
wrote:

> On 6/20/24 9:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <v52ki8$2qv7o$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> On 6/19/24 9:10 PM, shawn wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:28:26 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In article <v4vh5f$258cf$2@dont-email.me>,
> >>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>>>> Machine gun:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "...any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily
> >>>>> restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual
> >>>>> reloading, by a single function of the trigger."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now, tell me again how either gun in my video doesn't qualify...
> >>>>
> >>>> Because with the bump stock, it's only firing one shot per pull of the
> >>>> trigger. The trigger is just being pulled repeatedly really fast as a
> >>>> result of rebounding recoil caused by the bump stock. The bumper rocks
> >>>> the rifle back and forth against the shooter's trigger finger, causing a
> >>>> separate trigger pull each time. The statute you quoted above clearly
> >>>> says "by a SINGLE function of the trigger". If you shoot 100 rounds with
> >>>> a bump stock, you've got 100 functions of the trigger, not a single
> >>>> function of the trigger.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, you are definitely technically correct. (The best kind.) That
> >>> said you can see why people consider the bump stock to be the
> >>> equivalent of turning a weapon into an equal to a machine gun. It
> >>> isn't a machine gun but it ends throwing lead down field much like
> >>> one. I think eventually the law will be updated to include bump stocks
> >>> but who knows how long that will take. As no one who was involved in
> >>> writing the original act likely foresaw the possibility of a bump
> >>> stock.
> >>>
> >> Both still require the same action. A single trigger pull, with
> >> constant pressure.
> > 
> > Which isn't the standard under the law. The law's standard is a "single
> > function of the trigger". As I said above, if you shoot 100 rounds with
> > a bump stock, you've got 100 functions of the trigger, not a single
> > function of the trigger.
> > 
> > A semi-auto rifle physically can't fire more than one round with a
> > single function of the trigger. It's impossible for a semi-auto rifle to
> > meet the definition of "machine gun" under the NFA.
> 
> You keep glossing over the fact that both machine guns and bump stocks 
> require the same action.

No, I'm focusing on the one thing that legally matters: a single 
function of the trigger. It's literally impossible for a semi-auto rifle 
to fire more than one round with a single function of the trigger. The 
trigger mechanism must complete a full cycle of function for every round 
that leaves the barrel.