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In article <v5huvd$2aohk$1@dont-email.me>,
 moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On 6/25/2024 11:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <v5fvh9$1uphg$4@dont-email.me>,
> >   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 6/25/2024 6:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>> In article <v5ffk0$1ns3d$8@dont-email.me>,
> >>>    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 6/25/2024 3:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>>> In article <v57ep4$3u7ea$2@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>     moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 6/22/2024 1:20 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 23:13:14 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> But we don't care about the law as written, remember? It's only the
> >>>>>>>>> spirit we should be concerned with. And the spirit of private
> >>>>>>>>> property laws certainly does allow for warning off mobs of people
> >>>>>>>>> in the middle of nationwide violent riots from trespassing on your
> >>>>>>>>> land and doing you harm.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Even if that were (absurdly) the "spirit" of private property, there
> >>>>>>>> are other laws, including common-sense ones, whose "spirit" figures
> >>>>>>>> in, too.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Nevertheless there are few cases in law where a warning to the bad
> >>>>>>> guys is required. One of the key points in the Bouchie case was that
> >>>>>>> in was on a farm a minimum of 1/2 hour from the nearest police 
> >>>>>>> station and where 4 drunken people came onto his farm, one
> >>>>>>> attempting to get into the farmer's locked truck.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In such situations (particularly with no immediate expectation of
> >>>>>>> police attendance) I'm going to err on the side of the homeowner - 
> >>>>>>> and I wouldn't impose any further burden on the homeowner because
> >>>>>>> he had reason to believe one or more of the 4 people in their truck
> >>>>>>> was inebriated or of a different ethnicity.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Colten_Boushie
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This particular verdict got roughly the same reaction as the OJ
> >>>>>>> Simpson case but on a smaller scale and I guarantee Rhino would
> >>>>>>> remember it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here's an instructive (but fictional) example:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    The trespasser steps off the sidewalk and sits down on your 
> >>>>>>    lawn.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    You brandish your gun, saying, "Get off my lawn or I'll shoot."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    He yawns and remains seated.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    Comic-book fantasies aside, what do you do?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's why you don't threaten deadly force unless you're willing to use
> >>>>> it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However that's a separate issue from whether just holding a gun as a
> >>>>> screaming unruly mob-- which is already trespassing by its mere
> >>>>> presence-- marches up the street toward you in the middle of a
> >>>>> nationwide paroxysm of violence to which the police seem unwilling or
> >>>>> unable to stand in opposition is, or ought to be, a criminal act.
> >>>>
> >>>> In the circumstances you yourself paint, there's obviously no such thing
> >>>> as "*JUST* holding a gun".
> >>
> >>> Were the rooftop Koreans during the Rodney King riots criminals?
> >>
> >> I don't remember what you're talking about ...but possibly they were
> >> threatening deadly force.
> > 
> > Google it.
> > 
> > Theirs were among the only stores in those neighborhoods not looted
> > and/or burned, so apparently whatever they were threatening, it was
> > justified.
> 
> Many obscenely wrong measures can be effective without being justified.

So they should have just let their property and livelihoods be destroyed 
to protect the poor wittle rioters from feeling skeered?

What exactly is "obscenely wrong" about arming yourself in the middle of 
a violent riot and defending yourself and your property?

Why are you always on the side of the shitbags of this world?