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In article <v5ffk0$1ns3d$8@dont-email.me>,
 moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On 6/25/2024 3:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <v57ep4$3u7ea$2@dont-email.me>,
> >   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 6/22/2024 1:20 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 23:13:14 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> But we don't care about the law as written, remember? It's only the
> >>>>> spirit we should be concerned with. And the spirit of private property
> >>>>> laws certainly does allow for warning off mobs of people in the middle
> >>>>> of nationwide violent riots from trespassing on your land and doing you
> >>>>> harm.
> >>>>
> >>>> Even if that were (absurdly) the "spirit" of private property, there are
> >>>> other laws, including common-sense ones, whose "spirit" figures in, too.
> >>>
> >>> Nevertheless there are few cases in law where a warning to the bad
> >>> guys is required. One of the key points in the Bouchie case was that
> >>> in was on a farm a minimum of 1/2 hour from the nearest police station
> >>> and where 4 drunken people came onto his farm, one attempting to get
> >>> into the farmer's locked truck.
> >>>
> >>> In such situations (particularly with no immediate expectation of
> >>> police attendance) I'm going to err on the side of the homeowner - and
> >>> I wouldn't impose any further burden on the homeowner because he had
> >>> reason to believe one or more of the 4 people in their truck was
> >>> inebriated or of a different ethnicity.
> >>>
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Colten_Boushie
> >>>
> >>> This particular verdict got roughly the same reaction as the OJ
> >>> Simpson case but on a smaller scale and I guarantee Rhino would
> >>> remember it.
> >>
> >> Here's an instructive (but fictional) example:
> >>
> >>      The trespasser steps off the sidewalk and sits down on your lawn.
> >>
> >>      You brandish your gun, saying, "Get off my lawn or I'll shoot."
> >>
> >>      He yawns and remains seated.
> >>
> >>      Comic-book fantasies aside, what do you do?
> > 
> > That's why you don't threaten deadly force unless you're willing to use
> > it.
> > 
> > However that's a separate issue from whether just holding a gun as a
> > screaming unruly mob-- which is already trespassing by its mere
> > presence-- marches up the street toward you in the middle of a
> > nationwide paroxysm of violence to which the police seem unwilling or
> > unable to stand in opposition is, or ought to be, a criminal act.
> 
> In the circumstances you yourself paint, there's obviously no such thing 
> as "*JUST* holding a gun".

Were the rooftop Koreans during the Rodney King riots criminals?