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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth ---V2 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 13:30:21 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <b0a7f4d2764b961158074958405bb15436db8e2e@i2pn2.org> References: <v9q52r$1tedb$1@dont-email.me> <v9splm$2c67u$13@dont-email.me> <v9sq4k$2c67u$16@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2024 17:30:22 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3024473"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <v9sq4k$2c67u$16@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 2623 Lines: 49 On 8/18/24 8:40 AM, olcott wrote: > On 8/18/2024 7:32 AM, olcott wrote: >> On 8/17/2024 7:29 AM, olcott wrote: >>> void DDD() >>> { >>> HHH(DDD); >>> } >>> >>> _DDD() >>> [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping >>> [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping >>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD >>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) >>> [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 >>> [00002182] 5d pop ebp >>> [00002183] c3 ret >>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] >>> >>> *It is a basic fact that DDD emulated by HHH according to* >>> *the semantics of the x86 language cannot possibly stop* >>> *running unless aborted* (out of memory error excluded) >>> >> >> X = DDD emulated by HHH according to the semantics of the x86 language >> Y = HHH never aborts its emulation of DDD >> Z = DDD never stops running >> >> (X ∧ Y) ↔ Z >> > > x86utm takes the compiled Halt7.obj file of this c program > https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c > Thus making all of the code of HHH directly available to > DDD and itself. HHH emulates itself emulating DDD. > > So? The problem doesn't let that in. Hidden assumption break your "proof" That means that the input to HHH is the WHOLE MEMORY in Halt7.obj, so ANY change in that is a new input, and thus every HHH sees a different input and can't talk about the behavior of a DIFFERENT input indicating what this input does. That is like looking at 10 story office buildings for that attributes of cats.