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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: How Einstein missed his opportunity to derive Lorentz in Point =?UTF-8?B?wqczLg==?= Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2025 23:40:34 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <b12aa5f97e37f7cba9385c81ab27888b@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3341843"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="OjDMvaaXMeeN/7kNOPQl+dWI+zbnIp3mGAHMVhZ2e/A"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Posting-User: 26080b4f8b9f153eb24ebbc1b47c4c36ee247939 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$w2vnCLEwBPtwvcnX5BO22eu1a8/AoliDNNkFPwMBLt8FCRqho1I4W X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Bytes: 4478 Lines: 130 I was reading again the English version (1923) of his 1905 paper, and got interested in a footnote from the editor: QUOTE: 5The equations of the Lorentz transformation may be more simply deduced directly from the condition that in virtue of those equations the relation x² + y² + z² = c² t² shall have as its consequence the second relation ξ² + η² + ζ² = c²τ². END QUOTE As the above equations are EXACTLY what Poincaré postulated about space and time, and because Poincaré and Minkowski knew each other, so the latter used Poincaré to derive the spacetime shit, I searched about this kind of derivation without Taylor, mirrors and CHEATS/HACKS. This is based on the footnote and what Einstein wrote at the end of Point §3 (PLAGIARIZED EXACTLY FROM POINCARÉ, SAME YEAR). //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// QUOTING EINSTEIN IN Point §3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We now have to prove that any ray of light, measured in the moving system, is propagated with the velocity c, if, as we have assumed, this is the case in the stationary system; for we have not as yet furnished the proof that the principle of the constancy of the velocity of light is compatible with the principle of relativity. At the time t = τ = 0, when the origin of the co-ordinates is common to the two systems, let a spherical wave be emitted therefrom, and be propagated with the velocity c in system K. If (x, y, z) be a point just attained by this wave, then x² + y² + z² = c² t² Transforming this equation with the aid of our equations of transformation we obtain after a simple calculation ξ² + η² + ζ² = c² τ² ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This is the derivation of Lorentz transforms using the above concepts: *********************************************** He could have derived Lorentz transforms by simply postulating that as c² t² - x² - y² - z² = 0 and c² τ² - ξ² - η² - ζ² = 0 then c² τ² - ξ² - η² - ζ² = c² t² - x² - y² - z² As y = η and z = ζ, this equation reduces to c² τ² - ξ² = c² t² - x² Assuming that ξ and x differs in a factor β from Galilean transform, where β = 1, the new transform can be written as ξ = β (x - vt) and x = β (ξ + v τ) then x = β² (x - vt) + β v τ β v τ = x (1 - β²) + β² v t τ = x (1 - β²)/βv + β t τ = β [(1/β² - 1) x/v + t] Replacing ξ and τ in ξ² = c² τ², it follows that β² (x - vt)² = c² β² [x (1/β² - 1) x/v + t]² Factoring the above equation with a little help of algebra, it's obtained [β² - c²β²/v² (1/β² - 1)] x² - 2 β² [v + c²/v (1/β² - 1)] xt = β² (c² - v²) t² To verify x² + y² + z² = c² t² It's required that, in the previous equation, [β² - c²β²/v² (1/β² - 1)] = 1 [v + c²/v (1/β² - 1)] = 0 β² (c² - v²) = c² From the last equation, β² = c²/(c² - v²) or β = 1/√(1 - v²/c²) , which is the modern factor Gamma (γ). With this result of β (γ), the transforms are ξ = β (x - vt) = (x - vt)/√(1 - v²/c²) τ = β [(1/β² - 1) x/v + t] = β (t - vx/c²) = (t - vx/c²)/√(1 - v²/c²) Without the complex and FRAUDULENT use of calculus and algebra in the first part of Point §3. ***********************************************