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From: Jdchase310@gmail.com (Jordy)
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Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz"
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 17:42:56 +0000
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 21:46:11 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 15:13:09 +0000, Jordy wrote:
>
>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 5:10:07 +0000, Jordy wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 4:59:41 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>>>>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good choice, Jordy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The History of Modern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Watson seems to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have gotten most of his information) about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movement that took off around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form can be traced back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Revolt" aka "Free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Versers".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> famous poets of this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhythm/, that is [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expressed..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new poets, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and vers librists, because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they championed the rise of free verse, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced fixed stanzas, meter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition, there were other distinctive factions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during 1910-1917 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay, Harry Kemp and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all fit under the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Revolt, the Free-Versers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poets loosely associated with these groups included:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Aldington
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amy Lowell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vacel Lindsay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry Kemp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donald Evans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allen Norton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Louise Norton
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> H.D.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mina Loy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> William Carlos Williams
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alfred Kreymborg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ezra Pound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sinclair Lewis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ping: Jordy:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm reading of another from that great generation of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poets, Octavio Paz:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paz, “Masks of Dawn”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once"a man for far too many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and countrymen. Among other things..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Will
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great to see you, my friend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bonjour Will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello there my friend, great to see you again tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hola Will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good afternoon again my friend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ciao Will
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello again my friend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a response to the post seen at:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660625304#660625304
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>        Shalom Will
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning again my friend.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>        Bonjour Will
>>>>>
>>>>> Great to see you again today, Jordy.
>>>>
>>>>         Hola Mr Will
>>>
>>> Good afternoon again my friend.
>>
>>      Ciao Will
>>
>> --
>
> Great to see your again my friend.

       Shalom Will

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