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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: DeepBlue <dan.koren@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.music.classical.recordings Subject: Re: Mahler / Berlin Philharmonic / Haitink (Philps, studio recordings0 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 22:22:25 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <b1dc447c502b6ff25df7b823a99028e6@www.novabbs.com> References: <lq6ibuFjns5U1@mid.individual.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3411523"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="+LX6U+QEdxmX65G/ioNLHVfhXMvuBu5fNOpF5omT0G8"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$MpVCkpCI/xL7z4wh4N.65.FI5Ay4IIpaGeDrFovstfcMDDPVs5P2W X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: 9e00570fb1895deee7851c86c763dbf872b2557c On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 16:51:10 +0000, Roland van Gaalen wrote: > Hypothesis: Haitink's 'restraint', 'integrity', 'good taste' work well > in Mahler. I'm testing this now on the basis of his studio recordings of > symphonies 1,2,3,5,6,7 with the Berlin Philharmonic. No. 1 sounds just > right, as it were: unmannered, refined, expressive—not dull at all. > > Unfortunately, No. 2 (which I sort of liked twenty years ago) does not > clearly confirm my hypothesis. Movements 3-5 are mostly OK -― the finale > is too much for me anyway, I find it pompous -―, but the first two are > slow and dull. Is this good music or kitsch? Haitink makes a strong case > for kitsch. > Haitink's "restraint" works best in the bathroom. Cheers!