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From: George J. Dance@novabbs.com (George J. Dance)
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Subject: Re: Robert Creeley poem
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 13:33:20 +0000
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On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 13:03:02 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 20:49:25 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 19:39:48 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:57:09 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 18:53:52 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 6:41:33 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 0:04:15 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article.php?id=255731&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments
>>>>>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 16:15:27 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka
>>>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I realized from the content of NancyGene's posts that they were
>>>>>>>> intelligent, well-educated, and better written than anyone here.
>>>>>>>> Naturally, I asked them to start contributing to the "Sampler."  And I
>>>>>>>> was right in doing so.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here are the opening lines of NancyGene's latest poem:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Yesterdays stack up like piles of read newspapers,
>>>>>>>> Cluttering my mind and obstructing my day."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's poetry of the highest quality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The opening line is very good. It's almost as good as the opening line
>>>>>>> of Robert Creeleys poem, "The Days Pile Up":
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The days pile up like unread newspapers,"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do hope "Dr." NastyGoon credited Mr. Creeley; otherwise that would be
>>>>>>> something they would call, you know -- "plagiarism".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ping Rachel:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the obert Creeley poem I was telling you about, the one causing
>>>>>> such a ruckus here on the poetry newsgroup.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's George Dance's libelous accusation of plagiarism
>>>>
>>>> Read the George Dance post again, he didn't make an accusation, just an
>>>> observation.
>>>
>>> And, yes, George Dance did make the accusation:
>>
>> No, George Dance made the observation, see below.
>>
>>> "I do hope "Dr." NastyGoon credited Mr. Creeley; otherwise that would be
>>> something they would call, you know -- "plagiarism"."
>>>
>>
>> No, George Dance was saying that's what" they," Nancy Gene would call
>> it.
>>
>> Are you just playing stupid again or is your reading comprehension
>> really that poor?
>
> How does that matter, Donkey?
>
> If the line had been copied from Creeley with only minor modifications
> (as George Dance falsely claims), posting it without crediting him
> *would* be plagiarism.

No, Lying Michael. Copying one line of someone else's poem to use in a
poem of one's own is not plagiarism. It may be considered rude, if done
to a living author, but it is not considered literary theft.

> It doesn't matter whether NancyGene would call it "plagiarism" if
> someone else did it.  It would be an act of plagiarism regardless of
> what NancyGene, or anyone else, called it.

No, Lying Michael: it's something that only a troll would call
plagiarism: a troll like NastyGoon, or ... yourself.

> And since George Dance titled the thread this accusation appeared in
> "NastyGoon lifts a line" (FYI: That is a direct accusation that
> NancyGene copied the line from Creeley), he's calling her a
> plagiarist... twice.

No, HarryLiar. As Will said, you got the line wrong. The only question
is why.