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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Philosophy of Computation: Three seem to agree how emulating termination analyzers are supposed to work Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 21:09:59 +0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 47 Message-ID: <b6e1fdc2e46b780c149c38580f82c6077f29b0a3.camel@gmail.com> References: <vgr1gs$hc36$1@dont-email.me> <vgsq2j$v928$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 14:10:00 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9622cfba036e43b3b414f6aced5e2c6d"; logging-data="1003647"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/FAU0Uij9YCCFakzQ1ctPt" User-Agent: Evolution 3.50.2 (3.50.2-1.fc39) Cancel-Lock: sha1:6MlygrrK8OO7QkE4O/ocJRnHb5Y= In-Reply-To: <vgsq2j$v928$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2830 On Mon, 2024-11-11 at 13:33 +0200, Mikko wrote: > OP says nothing aobut how emulationg termination analyzers are supposed t= o > work. I think that is OK. Philosophers may have opinions about that but > the question is not really relevant for theorieticsl or practical purpose= s. Firstly, the HP is about the H that (If stated in C-function form, instead = of TM) that: H(P,P)=3D1 iff P(P) halts. H(P,P)=3D0 iff P(P) does not halts. =20 Astray from this, it is not about the Halting Problem. HP is (almost) about= a real machine, whatever logic,formal proof,philosophy,... is not decisive. olcott is a psychotic liar. he reads lots of technical terms and would post whatever he searched for you to head-ache (that is one of his trick), and= =C2=A0 pretending he is a learned genius. He simply knows nothing. E.g=C2=A0'halt' --> no precise meaning 'Godel's theorem' --> no (significant) contents 'completeness' --> no (significant) contents utm386 --> He can't construct TM for "1+2=3D3". He think his 'utm386' is an= OS. C-language --> He needs debugger to understand, and took the complied assem= bly=20 as 'totology' of his proof. ..... too many to list Most of all, olcott does not even understand the logical-IF !!! So, don't bother. olcott is a psychotic liar. > Anyone who wants to present or sell an emulating termination analyzer sho= uld > tell what that particular analyzer actually does. That's right. But, in POO logic, olcott is always correct... just not interesting. No nee= d=C2=A0 to argue (I though you and others engaged him for reasons). The HP simply does not exist. POOH cannot perform the function as stated ab= ove.