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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: No TM exists that can simulate all TM. Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2024 01:22:29 +0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 18 Message-ID: <b7863ee4a50dc6f4d6042364498713702d6e4037.camel@gmail.com> References: <8378f81fb465a4d56d7c65b466790571c71a5c31.camel@gmail.com> <3d1ce08f1c9740a732c629b83c562666ed7e7f03@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 19:22:30 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="b5df77ba79fb920862782a9adfd6a0cf"; logging-data="3424973"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19STFi/CUZhadFH45Xy65FI" User-Agent: Evolution 3.50.2 (3.50.2-1.fc39) Cancel-Lock: sha1:90+ffAxcr/IXFmeVgv/v+ZrZi5g= In-Reply-To: <3d1ce08f1c9740a732c629b83c562666ed7e7f03@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 1660 On Fri, 2024-10-25 at 17:15 +0000, joes wrote: > Am Sat, 26 Oct 2024 01:12:00 +0800 schrieb wij: >=20 > > Proof: Simulating self is not possible (from all real programs, every > > one can verify). > It is possible for a UTM to simulate itself simulating another program. >=20 > > This also implies UTM does not exist. > Since they do, your premise or deduction must be wrong. >=20 > > Did Turing made a mistake? > Probably not. >=20 As said in the 'proof'. It seems you cannot verify (what you say) but recit= ing things you don't really understand?