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On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 22:15:37 +0000, rhertz wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 22:00:17 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 21:43:25 +0000, rhertz wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 19:25:57 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 10:42:14 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 8:16:21 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rhertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 15:06:47 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 11:50:23 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When:
>>>>>>>>>>>> A. He admitted having little math and no ability in non-Euclidean
>>>>>>>>>>>> geometry.
>>>>>>>>>>>> B. He always relied on someone else to do his math.
>>>>>>>>>>>> C. He denied getting it from Hilbert.
>>>>>>>>>>>> D. He never said who he got it from.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Answer:
>>>>>>>>>>>> He stole them from Hilbert.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hilbert disagreed,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>>> Here are two other versions of the quote;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
>>>>>>>>>> Einstein. But the equations are his."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  "Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
>>>>>>>>>> four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein
>>>>>>>>>> did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out
>>>>>>>>>> that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he
>>>>>>>>>> could not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
>>>>>>>>> Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
>>>>>>>>> for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
>>>>>>>>> despite their superior technical skills.
>>>>>>>>> Hilbert goes on to state that:
>>>>>>>>> In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
>>>>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>>>> On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
>>>>>>>>> corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
>>>>>>>>> (So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
>>>>>>>>> mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
>>>>>>>>> personally)
>>>>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
>>>>>>>>> if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
>>>>>>>>> who had just stolen his results.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You had better forget about all this.
>>>>>>>>> You are wrong about it, period.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stop talking idiocies,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone can plainly understand Hilbert was pointing out that Einstein
>>>>>> was not competent to have thought up the field equations. It is utterly
>>>>>> deceitful to think otherwise. You are so deluded.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone who is not wearing your blinders can see what Hilbert said,
>>>>> and what he intended.
>>>>> He praised Einstein for having found the field equations,
>>>>> despite his initial lack of the mathematical toolkit needed for it.
>>>>> Einstein created and learned for himself whatever was needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, in a later note Hilbert expressed admiration,
>>>>> and a bit of jealousy, at Einsten's ease and speed
>>>>> in deriving the Mercury precession from the field equations.
>>>>> "If only I could calculate like you..."
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>> As usual, you are not the slightest bit persuasive. "...towards the end
>>>> of his life Einstein admitted to: 'Having been an unscrupulous
>>>> opportunist.'"- ibid p. 38.
>>>
>>> Not all the history can be erased. About his "1905 papers":
>>>
>>> 1) The Journal Annalen der Physik was at the center of the multilevel
>>> plot.
>>>
>>> 2) Willy Wien was the Chief Editor for Experimental Physics and Max
>>> Planck was the Chief Editor for THEORETICAL PHYSICS at the journal. YET,
>>> it was Wien, who had many unsolved issues with Planck, who authorized
>>> the first paper (photoelectric effect). The paper was used to TRASH
>>> Planck since page 1. Wien (a Nobel Prize by then) HAD ALL THE CONTACTS
>>> with every physicist in Europe, and in particular with Lenard (another
>>> Nobel Prize), who discovered and documented the photoelectric effect on
>>> metals under UV radiation. This paper IS THE ONLY ONE that cites many,
>>> many references and, CLEARLY, WAS NOT WRITTEN BY EINSTEIN but by Wien.
>>> He tried to downplay the value of Planck's "h" by INVENTING a new
>>> constant, and negating "h" along all the paper, except in a brief
>>> section. He also INSINUATED that "h" was wrong.
>>>
>>> 3) After this first paper, Wien and Drude authorized a second paper,
>>> which plagiarized several other papers in different countries about the
>>> brownian movement.
>>>
>>> 4) The THIRD ONE (SR) was a plagiarism of years of work of Lorentz,
>>> Poincaré and others, and is treated separately along with the fourth one
>>> (E=mc^2).
>>>
>>> 5) Wien also awarded Einstein with a job, in 1905, to CRITICIZE 19
>>> papers submitted to the Annalen, for which Einstein received a nice
>>> amount of money.
>>> Merits so far? NONE. Einstein's relationship with physics community?
>>> NONE.
>>> Einstein and his wife wrote the reviews. They needed the money badly.
>>>
>>> 6) When he was a little more known, by 1907, told to a journalist that
>>> criticized his custom to NOT CITE REFERENCES: I'm not obliged to do so.
>>>
>>> 7) Read here HOW Poincaré ANTICIPATED Einstein AND Minkowski by years.
>>> Also watch how Poincaré's notation IS WHAT IS USED TODAY. Poincaré
>>> credited Lorentz for his work, and named the transforms as Lorentz
>>> Transforms, after getting rid of the ether reference (which Einstein
>>> plagiarized from BOTH).
>>>
>>>
>>> Deux Mémoires de Henri Poincaré sur la Physique Mathématique
>>>
>>> https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Deux_M%C3%A9moires_de_Henri_Poincar%C3%A9_sur_la_Physique_Math%C3%A9matique
>>>
>>> 8) Einstein PLAGIARIZED von Soldner's theory about starlight deflection
>>> (1801), Voigt's theory about wave equations transforms (1887), Gerber's
>>> theory about Mercury (1897), Hilbert's development of GR field equation
>>> (1915), AND APPROPIATED THE DUE CREDITS TO Besso (Mercury, 1913) and
>>> Grossman's ENTIRE MATHEMATICAL BODY of GR (1913). Also DENIED the
>>> generous help given by Levi-Civita during 1915 (letters are missing) AND
>>> Schwarzschild (same year).
>>>
>>> There is also a quarrel due to plagiarism of the work of a female
>>> physicist (1909) about thermodynamics, a history behind the 18"/cy by
>>> making one of his slaves to use Nordstrom's theory (1913), a denial
>>> about the contributions of Lorentz and Ehrenfest during 1915, took
>>> advantage Pick in 1912, Bose in 1922. The LIST is too long to write
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *************************************************************************
>>> ALBERT EINSTEIN. Plagiarist of the Century
>>>
>>> http://allais.maurice.free.fr/English/Einstein1.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Note by the webmaster
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