Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2024 23:33:21 +0000
Organization: novaBBS
Message-ID: <b8998897755306cb9366513da8d7c1fa@www.novabbs.com>
References: <GBEGTHyJnMpjHuJ0IoZO0OLSc1M@jntp> <cda33e42de10aeee9283e500b47a63f9@www.novabbs.com> <AE2L2lzGJn13Z_4dg3bpJC59QsA@jntp> <66b3d79f$0$3656$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <dlVAS4dgp1D4i_LVHm3d5U9hqow@jntp> <43ee5c178f7ae877c0c3e00e77386494@www.novabbs.com> <xHQxwI0qFFk4RXIOP_V9qQEYF6o@jntp> <03be6498d21bfde3edbac3669f10841c@www.novabbs.com> <jAzCAJq8FVCKps9bXn3yDr5Sh4U@jntp> <e6a7e71e31958ad0eec9f8b0555d03bf@www.novabbs.com> <W9BzcbRBZf4dAXApqiQLTdBNGmE@jntp>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Info: i2pn2.org;
	logging-data="2143153"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org";
	posting-account="p+/k+WRPC4XqxRx3JUZcWF5fRnK/u/hzv6aL21GRPZM";
User-Agent: Rocksolid Light
X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$xqqHsTWmASbAxoc4WgMmouRswpv2AVlg9US1/r.eQ8qqWgG3XK8Q.
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0
X-Rslight-Posting-User: 47dad9ee83da8658a9a980eb24d2d25075d9b155
Bytes: 3122
Lines: 49

On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 23:10:57 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:
>
> Le 10/08/2024 à 23:32, hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) a écrit :
> >
> > Richard Hachel wrote:
> > >
> > > It is realized universally every day.
> > > This horse in this meadow, this moon in the sky, this galaxy in this
> > > telescope, I perceive them because, precisely, it is about
> instantaneous
> > > transmission of information.
> >
> > Doesn't happen.  Ever.  There's always time delay due to speed of
> light.
> > Telescopes look into the past of what they see.  And the moon you see
> is
> > more than a second old.  Even the horse is older.
> >
> > > This is what we call direct-live.
>
> I beg you to stop being an idiot and writing nonsense.

You seem to be projecting, Richard.

> This forum is already rotten with guys who come to talk to us about
> Ukraine, Trump, and other off-topic stuff in relativity,
> if in addition, one of the celestial lights of relativity (me) is
> criticized badly, we will not get out of it.
>
> I repeat:
> "This horse in this meadow, this moon in this sky, this galaxy in this
> telescope, are given to me live, without an intermediary, and by
> instantaneous transfer of information".
>
> The answers I get, which are like: "the speed of light means that we
> cannot observe things instantly, and even some stars may be dead today"
> are particularly stupid.
>
> They show the collective decay of current physics.

Nope. "direct-live" represents a specific decay of this group.

> One day, we will laugh at such answers because science will progress.
>
> But today, I am saddened by it.
>
> R.H.

Be saddened all you want, but it will degrade science until you bring
your ideas in congruency with reality.