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From: Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org>
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Subject: Re: General Motors quietly closed the door this week on a goal to make only electric vehicles by 2035.
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2025 05:47:56 -0600
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 11:53:12 -0400, Radey Shouman
<shouman@comcast.net> wrote:

>AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:
>
>> On 7/17/2025 3:36 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 20:04:43 -0000 (UTC), Beej Jorgensen
>>> <beej@beej.us> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In article <1vki7k10egcrhostdbs6sp6ml5pdri0r93@4ax.com>,
>>>> Catrike Ryder  <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
>>>>> Gas and oil subsidies are for fuel sources. EV subsidies are to
>>>>> manipulate consumer purchases.
>>>>
>>>> I agree insofar as I agree that consumers don't purchase gas and oil.
>>> Gas and oil are important for many more things that automobiles.
>>> Batteries for trucks, trains, ships, and airplanes are only dreams.
>>> --
>>> C'est bon
>>> Soloman
>>
>> And ethylene for a gazillion polymer products and packages.
>> And asphalt, bunker fuel and solvents. And myriad other crude cracking
>> fractions.  Oh, plus helium (there's a shortage) from natural gas
>> production.
>
>Natural gas for ammonia production, meaning nitrate fertilizers and
>feedstock for all sorts of amines.  Fossil fuel is used for almost all
>cement production, used to build almost everything.  Coke from coal for
>steel production.  It's possible to imagine replacing all of these with
>something else, actually doing so will be very difficult.
>
>The supply of fossil fuels is certainly finite, and eventually all of
>those replacements will have to be done or industrial civilization
>abandoned.  Guessing when that will happen is a mug's game.

As resources get scarse, the market will raise prices and then,
alternate resources will emerge. We don't need the morons in the
government to fiddle with it.

--
C'est bon
Soloman