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Path: ...!news-out.netnews.com!s1-1.netnews.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: ChatGPT refutes the key rebuttal of my work Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 06:30:41 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <bb5c503ba7e505b1901ff9e45f2881dd4d9a2853@i2pn2.org> References: <vegfro$lk27$9@dont-email.me> <veimqs$14que$1@dont-email.me> <veipf3$15764$1@dont-email.me> <36ecdefcca730806c7bd9ec03e326fac1a9c8464@i2pn2.org> <vejcoj$1879f$1@dont-email.me> <034767682966b9ac642993dd2fa0d181c21dfffc@i2pn2.org> <vekj4q$1hrgd$1@dont-email.me> <f8a15594bf0623a229214e2fb62ce4f4a2bd7116@i2pn2.org> <velpm2$1n3gb$6@dont-email.me> <8f12bccec21234ec3802cdb3df63fd9566ba9b07@i2pn2.org> <vemc30$1q255$1@dont-email.me> <3b7102e401dc2d872ab53fd94fc433841caf3170@i2pn2.org> <vemhn0$1qqfr$2@dont-email.me> <61ffc8131435005aaf8976ddbf109b8f16c77668@i2pn2.org> <ven83o$2230b$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 06:30:41 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2247835"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Received-Bytes: 3886 Bytes: 4056 Lines: 47 Am Tue, 15 Oct 2024 21:23:52 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 10/15/2024 9:11 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 10/15/24 4:01 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 10/15/2024 2:33 PM, joes wrote: >>>> Am Tue, 15 Oct 2024 13:25:36 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>> On 10/15/2024 10:17 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>> Am Tue, 15 Oct 2024 08:11:30 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 6:35 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>> On 10/14/24 10:13 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 10/14/2024 6:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/24 11:18 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/2024 7:06 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Am Mon, 14 Oct 2024 04:49:22 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/2024 4:04 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-13 12:53:12 +0000, olcott said: >>>> >>>>>>>>> https://chatgpt.com/share/6709e046-4794-8011-98b7-27066fb49f3e >>>>>>>>> When you click on the link and try to explain how HHH must be >>>>>>>>> wrong when it reports that DDD does not terminate because DDD >>>>>>>>> does terminate it will explain your mistake to you. >>>>>>>> I did that, and it admitted that DDD halts, it just tries to >>>>>>>> justify why a wrong answer must be right. >>>>>>> It explains in great detail that another different DDD (same >>>>>>> machine code different process context) seems to terminate only >>>>>>> because the recursive emulation that it specifies has been aborted >>>>>>> at its second recursive call. >>>>>> Yes! It really has different code, by way of the static Root >>>>>> variable. >>>>>> No wonder it behaves differently. >>>>> There are no static root variables. There never has been any "not a >>>>> pure function of its inputs" aspect to emulation. >>>> Oh, did you take out the check if HHH is the root simulator? >>> There is some code that was obsolete several years ago. >> No, that code is still active. it is the source of the value for the >> variable Root that is passed around, and is checked in the code to >> alter the behavior. > It has no effect on the trace itself. Other than producing a different trace. Seriously, why else should it be in there? > It only affects the termination status decision that I conclusively > prove is unequivocally correct no matter how HHH detects this. Sure, "DDD is the same program, except for a variable which directly changes termination" lol. -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.