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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable --- ZFC Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2024 21:23:27 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <bb60e0693b8c71a06bf7ea09c1fde13b417d8ead@i2pn2.org> References: <v86olp$5km4$1@dont-email.me> <v95cke$p5rb$5@dont-email.me> <v977fo$gsru$1@dont-email.me> <v97goj$ielu$1@dont-email.me> <v9c93e$35sg6$1@dont-email.me> <v9d3k1$3ajip$1@dont-email.me> <v9ffpr$3s45o$1@dont-email.me> <v9fkd4$3se8c$1@dont-email.me> <v9kg66$tdvb$1@dont-email.me> <v9nbjf$1dj8q$1@dont-email.me> <20b1dea98eda49e74e822c96b37565bb3eb36013@i2pn2.org> <v9o4p2$1h5u4$1@dont-email.me> <cd12fb81fcd05d2e112fc8aca2f5b791c521cfc9@i2pn2.org> <v9oddf$1i745$2@dont-email.me> <7f2a1f77084810d4cee18ac3b44251601380b93a@i2pn2.org> <v9ogmp$1i745$6@dont-email.me> <662de0ccc3dc5a5f0be0918d340aa3314d51a348@i2pn2.org> <v9oj4r$1i745$8@dont-email.me> <v9sibq$2bq1o$1@dont-email.me> <v9sn85$2c67u$6@dont-email.me> <v9v0u0$2qajg$1@dont-email.me> <v9vgbu$2rjt1$13@dont-email.me> <va1qmi$3biht$1@dont-email.me> <va27ge$3cvgv$7@dont-email.me> <va4a0u$3q89u$1@dont-email.me> <va4n2u$3s0hu$3@dont-email.me> <MPG.413129831ae549849896ff@reader.eternal-september.org> <va7dfi$ebdg$4@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2024 01:23:27 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="3524973"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <va7dfi$ebdg$4@dont-email.me> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3293 Lines: 39 On 8/22/24 9:12 AM, olcott wrote: > On 8/22/2024 4:55 AM, Wasell wrote: >> On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 07:37:50 -0500, in article >> <va4n2u$3s0hu$3@dont-email.me>, >> olcott wrote: >>> On 8/21/2024 3:54 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2024-08-20 13:59:42 +0000, olcott said: >>>> >>>>> On 8/20/2024 5:21 AM, Mikko wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>>>>> Set theories with an unversal set need to restrict >>>>>> the construction operations more than what is usually considered >>>>>> reasonable. >>>>> >>>>> I don't see how. The set of all sets that do not contain >>>>> themselves simply becomes the set of all sets. >>>> >>>> The set of all sets that do not contain themselves is the Russell set >>>> that revealied the inconsistency of the naive set theory. The main >>>> improvment in ZF was the non-existence of this set. >>> >>> So basically you agreed with me on everything. >> >> Oh, you blithering imbecile! The universal set V is, by definition, >> an element of itself. > > Not in ZFC where no set con be a member of itself, > your insult is reflected back upon yourself. > So, you don't understand the comment. ZFC doesn't allow for a Universal Set, but some other set theories do. You can't apply ZFC to a discussion based on another Set Theory. Just like you can't use your "Correct Reasoning" on a problem not based on your not-yet-defined system.