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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Incorrect requirements --- Computing the mapping from the input to HHH(DD) Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 09:44:21 +0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 42 Message-ID: <bc4fb153ff914177dba706ce6e0dfb467e2126eb.camel@gmail.com> References: <vv97ft$3fg66$1@dont-email.me> <87jz6qczja.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <vvjotc$28g5i$12@dont-email.me> <vvnh9u$3hd96$1@raubtier-asyl.eternal-september.org> <vvno4e$3in62$2@dont-email.me> <5b14da4260c0b7e3235ce05f752c092fade4d70e.camel@gmail.com> <vvnsae$3in62$9@dont-email.me> <11cc09876004107c47467b9481f614f45f450f2c.camel@gmail.com> <vvnu9k$3k258$2@dont-email.me> <674a661e498281cca55b322cbd5905a1988a6171.camel@gmail.com> <vvnvut$3kher$3@dont-email.me> <088556c03067d8de7184bf88dd01cc6b8c99ba1b.camel@gmail.com> <vvo1ni$3l14p$1@dont-email.me> <c09f468e8485c22150cedb12a9010b401f292054.camel@gmail.com> <vvo58a$3lnkd$1@dont-email.me> <dc76ef3215a83481dfddc40c466bb9ebc0e77341.camel@gmail.com> <vvo709$3m1oc$1@dont-email.me> <b503e969e23dd1b2a6201ba78c82c9ff7906eaae.camel@gmail.com> <vvo9e8$3m1oc$3@dont-email.me> <b9cec56c1d257e09fdf8043f02f123a4243de6e1.camel@gmail.com> <vvoife$3ofmu$1@dont-email.me> <09cea75db07408dc9203aca3fb74408ad3a095b4.camel@gmail.com> <vvoubl$3qtsi$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Sun, 11 May 2025 03:44:22 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="1aa223d640888d616762f0efff606324"; logging-data="4030987"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/jqDI3ZUR3LV2l6H018sQO" User-Agent: Evolution 3.54.3 (3.54.3-1.fc41) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Kkwfzs5cdlhEAmXp2KKf8Pd9qhQ= In-Reply-To: <vvoubl$3qtsi$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3275 On Sat, 2025-05-10 at 20:26 -0500, olcott wrote: > On 5/10/2025 8:17 PM, wij wrote: > > On Sat, 2025-05-10 at 17:03 -0500, olcott wrote: > > > On 5/10/2025 4:44 PM, wij wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2025-05-10 at 14:29 -0500, olcott wrote: > > > > > On 5/10/2025 2:02 PM, wij wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > You don't know the counter example in the HP proof, your D is not the c= ase what HP says. > >=20 >=20 > Sure I do this is it! (as correctly encoded in C) >=20 > typedef void (*ptr)(); > int HHH(ptr P); >=20 > int DD() > { > =C2=A0=C2=A0 int Halt_Status =3D HHH(DD); > =C2=A0=C2=A0 if (Halt_Status) > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 HERE: goto HERE; > =C2=A0=C2=A0 return Halt_Status; > } >=20 > int main() > { > =C2=A0=C2=A0 HHH(DD); > } >=20 >=20 Try to convert it to TM language to know you know nothing. To refute the HP, you need to understand what it exactly means in TM. Assembly (or C) also work, but you need to understand more details and be able to map every assembly instruction or C expressions to TM language. The form of the DD above (in some books maybe) is for layman to understand, which is not exactly the case that the HP provides. Don't be silly.