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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Another proof: The Halting Problem Is Undecidable. Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 01:11:40 +0800 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 29 Message-ID: <bd415cc46f2a87bb642028be2e99b999e8c7c6fd.camel@gmail.com> References: <789da1c7da825d24f5298891efae209a44535ca5.camel@gmail.com> <0cf5c2dd4c7f1042c1d52ea45a30847ea4bc3e38.camel@gmail.com> <veaved$3jher$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 19:11:41 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8b7cd467c04789fa3e1b27ae83b55906"; logging-data="3912011"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX187mY5jBPdaTs+Vcdecm0mQ" User-Agent: Evolution 3.50.2 (3.50.2-1.fc39) Cancel-Lock: sha1:d//V8dkC3cfyh14LPwpvgl5++I0= In-Reply-To: <veaved$3jher$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2270 On Fri, 2024-10-11 at 11:42 +0100, Andy Walker wrote: > On 10/10/2024 16:26, wij wrote: > > This "0.999...!=3D1" proof [...]. >=20 > Any such proof would breach the Archimedean [Eudoxus] axiom, so > is not a proof about the real numbers.=C2=A0 You have been told that befo= re. > If you propose to repeat this or to take it further, you /really, really/ > do need to tell us what axioms you are using instead of those of the real > numbers.=C2=A0 Without that, your claims, whatever they may be, are worth= less, > and no-one qualified to do so can comment more usefully.=C2=A0 WIYF. Wij's Theorem: x>0 iff x/n >0, where n=E2=88=88=E2=84=A4=E2=81=BA. Archimedes likely believes that all (real) numbers, including pi, sqrt(2), = are=20 p/q representable. Is that what you suggest? Archimedean axiom is an *assertion* that infinitesimal does not exist witho= ut knowing the consequence (violating Wij's Theorem which is provable from the= rules=C2=A0 stronger than 'assertion'). This is for elementary school students, might help: https://sourceforge.net/projects/cscall/files/MisFiles/RealNumber2-en.txt/d= ownload