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From: jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Hossenfelder and pseudoskeptics
Date: Tue, 07 May 2024 07:51:31 -0400
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On Mon, 6 May 2024 18:17:50 -0500, RonO <rokimoto@cox.net> wrote:

>On 5/5/2024 11:39 PM, jillery wrote:
>> The following link is to an 8-minute Youtube video of Sabine
>> Hossenfelder expressing her concerns about flat-earthers aka
>> flearthers:
>>=20
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTW6hgOc3wuI>
>> ************************************
>> @1:04
>> But it's not just a matter of misunderstanding. If you believe that
>> the Earth is flat you also have to believe in a global conspiracy
>> that's hiding the truth for no particular reason.
>>=20
>> @3:04
>> To me flat earthers are the first symptom of a much bigger problem.
>> They show us what happens when people realize they can't understand
>> modern science, don't trust scientists, and therefore throw out even
>> the most basic scientific knowledge on the rationale of skepticism.
>> *************************************
>>=20
>> The above is similar to my concerns about pseudoskeptics generally,
>> while Sabine excuses those who don't do science themselves:
>>=20
>> **********************************
>> @3:23
>> Flat earthers are somewhat extreme in that they're actually throwing
>> out evidence that they could test themselves if they weren't so bad at
>> science. But the underlying problem is much deeper because in most of
>> modern science the average person can't test evidence for themselves.
>> **********************************
>>=20
>> While I agree doing "modern science" is beyond the financial and
>> logistical resources of the average person, I disagree that's an
>> appropriate test.  Just as people don't need to be an automotive
>> engineer to understand and appreciate the merits of good automotive
>> design, they also don't need to be professional scientists in order to
>> understand and appreciate the evidence on which scientific theories
>> are based.
>>=20
>> When Sabine says she doesn't understand how CRISPR works, I have no
>> doubt she doesn't understand every jot and tittle about it any more
>> than I do, but she doesn't have to be able to peer review articles
>> about CRISPR in order to grok the method's veracity and the basic
>> concepts about it.
>>=20
>> My experience is all pseudoskeptics, not just flat-earthers, not just
>> scientific pseudoskeptics, but all those who reject material evidence
>> and accept made-up facts without question, are symptomatic of a
>> failure in education, and equally pose clear and present dangers to
>> modern society.
>>=20
>> --
>> To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
>>=20
>
>https://www.nasa.gov/solar-system/from-a-million-miles-away-nasa-camera-=
shows-moon-crossing-face-of-earth/
>
>They probably have to think that the moon landings were faked.
>
>https://explorer1.jpl.nasa.gov/galleries/earth-from-space/#gallery-9
>https://www.nasa.gov/image-article/apollo-8-earthrise/
>
>Ron Okimoto


Yes, it's the same pseudoskepticism that rationalizes cdesign
proponentsists and election-deniers.  People like Ron Dean and Donald
Trump exercise the same mindset.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge