Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen)
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity
Subject: Re: Relativity Derives Zero Deflection of Light By Gravity.
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 19:21:25 +0000
Organization: novaBBS
Message-ID: <be37e244b605d95dc1944b3b9ae9a085@www.novabbs.com>
References: <9f779645de1a83b1f2f35ab0a1885329@www.novabbs.com> <OLKtP.3284$lVra.392@fx02.ams4> <1826007a482dd75b$2449$1498207$c2065a8b@news.newsdemon.com> <bde0ac6f7aa9059e84658916b8af2ab9@www.novabbs.com> <saNtP.10507$jgOa.5162@fx17.ams4> <kouLCsgAPww84eUhy98fxyEW4i0@jntp> <m1qrkcFu6qdU5@mid.individual.net> <f10c7cf83ea249451025270621ea9f3d@www.novabbs.com> <67B97A56.364@ix.netcom.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Info: i2pn2.org;
	logging-data="1294173"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org";
	posting-account="HcQFdl4zp4UQRQ9N18ivMn6Fl9V8n4SPkK4oZHLgYdQ";
User-Agent: Rocksolid Light
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0
X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$WDFCLO17g8ma5wLLdfXG9OBu45x9Fzf78yW1mxuJ3UwTtW4r0ZRUy
X-Rslight-Posting-User: a2f761a7401f13abeefca3440f16b2f27b708180
Bytes: 4110
Lines: 91

On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 7:18:46 +0000, The Starmaker wrote:

> LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 8:26:26 +0000, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>
>>> Am Donnerstag000020, 20.02.2025 um 22:44 schrieb Richard Hachel:
>>>> Le 20/02/2025 à 22:31, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :
>>>>> So you prefer to believe that your derivation that
>>>>> photons are not affected by gravity is correct,
>>>>> and that GR's predictions thus are proven wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you must be ignorant of the fact that photons are observed
>>>>> to be deflected by gravity exactly as predicted by GR.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because you would not claim that "photons cannot be affected
>>>>> by gravity" if you knew that they are.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or would you? :-D
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> What is the evidence that photons are deflected by the presence of
>>>> matter in space?
>>>
>>> The photons are not affected, but space itself is.
>>>
>>> The idea of GR was, that gravity is actually an effect of 'curvature',
>>> which is itself caused by gravity.
>>>
>>> What gets curved is actually the 'axis of time' local to a certain part
>>> of space.
>>>
>>> What we call 'space' has a certain (geometric) relation to the axis of
>>> time, if we regard the axis of time as imaginary and the axes of space
>>> as real.
>>>
>>> Then we have i as a factor, by which time gets multiplied and what gives
>>> us three real axes of space.
>>>
>>> This space is therefore depending on the direction of time.
>>>
>>> Curvature of the axis of time is actually an acceleration in a
>>> space-time diagram, which usually has one axis of time and only one of
>>> type space.
>>>
>>> Now this can 'curve' and we get gravity, which is a force, that results
>>> from such curvature.
>>>
>>> Now light ('photons') pass through such a distorted space upon force
>>> free straight lines, which are actually curved in spacetime in presence
>>> of a gravitational field.
>>>
>>> This pass is NOT curved by gravitation, but by curvature of space.
>>>
>>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>>
>>> TH
>> it is good to hear someone here who can plainly explain relativity so
>> everyone can understand. The only problem is that space is not a
>> surface, so it can't curve. Non-Euclidean geometry cannot curve space,
>> so it can't cause gravity. The idea that the concept of curved space is
>> somehow an improvement over the idea of fields of force is mistaken
>> because it involves the elementary error of reification fallacy.
>
>
>
> Gravity does not bend light.
>
>
> Gravity doesn't bend anything...
>
>
> it's only...mindbending.
>
> Relativity is Einstin on acid.
>
>
> purplehaze
>
> spacetime
>
> lucy
> in
> the
> sky
> with
> diamonds
>
Relativity is mind-warping like drugs are.