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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-2.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2024 16:24:49 +0000 Subject: Re: Steel Man of Einstein & Relativity. Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity References: <23387e561af5e3d769b94ab9ddc5f74b@www.novabbs.com> <7dfa7214e108991221d9b7115961ca87@www.novabbs.com> <00a9cb00ad7df66a0aaeefeac11278a7@www.novabbs.com> <-hc8RY2DvPYBVYYkPGqCAQ_LJH8@jntp> From: Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2024 09:24:51 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <-hc8RY2DvPYBVYYkPGqCAQ_LJH8@jntp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <beScnQ-J8qPMvEL7nZ2dnZfqnPR8IaAr@giganews.com> Lines: 53 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-wxn+jA+gqYZWK5pV08P9hxn6uJPDBJSolM4xkTOjYACo7Y1DB2+q0dk4MvUOnt/tQCSOO6uqhayjMHs!Oxto5L8fkXPXKhBeajTqwbqWDA+UxDwkRrBYu57a1mr9aR3O0i5kToJCx5FvCXj7U9m66Z36paEg!yA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 4533 On 09/09/2024 05:13 AM, Richard Hachel wrote: > Le 09/09/2024 à 05:33, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit : >> Yes, it is idiotic, not only because it pretends curved space explains >> the cause of gravity. This is typical of the pretentious nature of >> relativity. The equivalence principle also pretends to explain the cause >> of gravity and does not in the slightest. The above-cited article >> discusses how Einstein modifies Newton's idea about inertial motion, >> claiming that gravity is a sort of inertial motion. Since gravity causes >> accelerating motion, I beg to differ. The second reason it is idiotic is >> that it all rests on presuming gravity can be explained similarly to >> electromagnetism. Einstein adopted this from Heaviside's 1893 work. Now >> that the unified field theory has "failed" [-Britannica], there are few >> grounds to pretend gravity can be explained this way. Yet some persist, >> as with gravitoelectromagnetism (abbreviated GEM), attempting to find >> evidence from gravity probe B. Gravity and electromagnetism have little >> in common. Only that they are both forces obeying the inverse square >> rule; otherwise, they are very different. One affects only some >> materials, while the other affects all matter. One can be shielded while >> the other cannot. Since gravity is not electromagnetism, its speed is >> not c. Laplace and Van Flandern estimate its speed to be near infinite >> enough to avoid any appreciable effect of angular momentum. If the speed >> of gravity were c, the angular momentum would be such that the Earth >> would move out twice its distance from the Sun in just 1,200 years. >> Since gravity is not electromagnetism, its speed must be millions of >> times that of light. > > The idea of the deformation of space by bodies has always amused me. > Poincaré starts from the idea that photons are perhaps not little things > that surf on the ether or in the ether, and he comes to pose a > magnificent principle: there is no need for the ether to explain things, > and it seems that there is no ether, and that the void is really empty. > Einstein modifies the thought by reintroducing a kind of ether that > curves space with its little muscular fingers. > This is not very rational. > As for two things: the curvature of the sun's rays in the perisolar > atmosphere, in view of the enormous ejections of matter and gas that we > see, is it not precisely due to diffractive effects? > The same goes for galaxies, which must attract a little gas on the > periphery around them (tiny quantities but over billions of millions of > kilometers). Finally, the precession of Mercury's perihelion... Isn't a > simple RR effect possible? Either because time does not pass in the same > way (Mercury's faster speed), or because in Mercury's frame of > reference, the Sun performs a revolution different from the reciprocal > (since the frame of reference is no longer quite the same). > > R.H. Space-frames and frame-spaces: make for complementary notions as with regards to filling in that "surface's volumes are mostly space". Rahem-Raumen and Raume-Rahmen, ....