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Subject: Re: Claws-Mail vs. Sylpheed
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On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 19:35:52 -0000 (UTC), Ini Nagap <invalid@nagap.ini> wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:36:35 +0200
>Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>> On 27.08.2024 um 02:11 Uhr Ini Nagap wrote:
>> > Claws Mail client has gotten increasingly buggy over time on Linux.
>> > Now it crashes often. It especially crashes when accessing pop and
>> > nntp over a Tor proxy. The way it interfaces with the gnu nntp
>> > library causes it to crash a lot. This newsreader has become
>> > aggravating to use. It is almost like someone put the bug there on
>> > purpose to discourage Tor usage.
>> 
>> Please open bug reports for that in the Claws Mail tracker.
>> IIRC one of the crashes is related to libetpan which is built with the
>> wrong options:
>
>Looking through their copious bug reports on this issue, it appears they have been aware of the issue for several years. One more bug report on the same issue is not going to change anything.
>The last thing I am going to do is jump through hoops, devote time to setting up debug and logging environment, only to have my efforts ignored, or to be told that they can't replicate the bugs on their end.
>Some things just aren't worth the hassle. If they don't want people using Tor, this is their way of saying so.

may not be deliberate "anti-tor" behavior, but agree that bug reports
also may not be taken seriously if their systems are not experiencing
similar problems . . . recommend testing other newsreaders with linux
(list w/links here: http://usenet-fr.yakakwatik.org/newsreaders.html);

seems ironic that the majority of popular free usenet newsservers are
tor-friendly, including the popular novabbs "rocksolid-light" website:
https://news.novabbs.org/computers/thread.php?group=news.software.readers

e.g. rocksolid-light https://gitlab.com/rslight-public/rocksolid-light
>*Tested with Claws Mail, Thunderbird, Knews, tin, Pan and some others
encouraging tor users ... in stark contrast to "cloudflare" ad nauseam:

>https://news.novabbs.org/common/connect.php
>Clearnet Newsreader Access:
>Approximately 42,000 Usenet text groups
>Create an account on www.i2pn2.org (it's free)
>Direct your news client to: news.i2pn2.org:119 or 563
>Using i2p or Tor?
>Create an account on:
>rslight.i2p
>or
>fev4bgoasgxttqb3x3tukxxia6lwryteq6a2ramqb2gjiol3zbu6xaid.onion
>Connect your news client here:
>v77lu6t26velvaddm4gibyzd5sogskuczp7vwoc4vxmukvvaucva.b32.i2p
>or
>tk4pwu574u4zrndofwx7dtlh2g2swauhtfblyrbhzxypznomgxxhgqyd.onion:119
[end quote]

if only 40tude dialog and omnimix would work smoothly in linux, then
then the entire world would be a better place to live...err, sort of