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Subject: Re: ABC settles "rape" claim re: Pres. Elect.
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 10:20:39 -0500
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On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 15:33:34 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>On 12/27/2024 11:47 AM, NoBody wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 12:08:06 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 12/26/2024 10:13 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:34:39 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/25/2024 11:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Dec 2024 15:54:34 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/24/2024 7:38 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 12:00:14 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2024 7:23 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 13:26:44 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/22/2024 10:25 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 11:45:40 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/2024 10:20 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 13:18:31 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/2024 7:07 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2024 12:24:55 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2024 7:29 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 07:50:15 -0800, suzeeq <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/2024 4:28 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 11:57:19 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/17/2024 7:31 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Dec 2024 12:40:22 -0500, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/16/2024 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 16:54:39 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Snuffalapogous had stated Mr. Trump (not President
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at that time) had been found guilty of "rape", when, well,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we all know the legal technicalities and definition and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific legal issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He did not say "guilty".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 	Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 	that rape by a jury. It's been affirmed by a judge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The NBC Blue Network will pay $15 million to... his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidential library...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-george-stephanopoulos-lawsuit-defamation-b2664508.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not buying what the judge wrote last year that the plaintiff proved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rape" as commonly understood by the public even though no rape had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occurred using the legal definition of "rape". The jury was asked to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make a specific finding of "rape" and they said no. She still won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case on other points even if not on that point. The judge was wrong to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second guess the jury here on the finding they made on a specific set of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             From your cited article:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "�Donald Trump has been found liable for defaming the victim of that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rape by a jury,� Stephonopoulos said on ABC�s This Week at the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> �It�s been affirmed by a judge.�
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Juries in New York found Trump liable for defaming and sexually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abusing E Jean Carroll after he repeatedly called her a liar for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking publicly about allegations that he assaulted her in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1990s. Trump has appealed the nearly $90 million in judgments against
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last year, the judge overseeing those cases wrote that Carroll�s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure to �prove that she was �raped� within the meaning of the New
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> �raped� her as many people commonly understand the word �rape.��
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> �Indeed, as the evidence at trial ... makes clear, the jury found that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Trump in fact did exactly that,� US District Judge Lewis Kaplan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Honestly Trump has a case against the judge as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What redeeming aspect of Trump's character did George falsely besmirch?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you need the facts of ABC admitted lie explained to you, you're not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth the bytes it would take.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your President-elect forcibly finger fucked her.  Explain *that* fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump was not convicted of rape.  ABC said he was.  They lied.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of story.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other jurisdictions it's considered rape/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one cares.  He was charge and found not guilty.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> End of story.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you're right that not many care about the technical 'not guilty'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not technical.  It's fact.  Trying to spin otherwise is engaging
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in technicalities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a fact that NY law makes a misleading technical distinction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laughter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Go ahead and explain it for us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We think you don't really want an explanation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's your claim.  If you can't explain it, then we all understand that
>>>>>>>>>>>> you're lying.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We all recognize a genuine request for explanation when we all hear one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Non-response is noted.
>>>>>>>>>> Please try again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Okay, we'll try to catch you between your peals of laughter...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NY law says that only penile insertion is rape.  E.g., across the river,
>>>>>>>>> NJ disagrees.  And so do the vast majority of Americans, I'd guess, so
>>>>>>>>> that no one is confused when they read that, e.g., NY cops raped Abner
>>>>>>>>> Louima with a broom handle...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And Trump was found not guilty of rape.  Do you think it's fine for a
>>>>>>>> journalist to insist that a clear lie is true?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not guilty of rape as narrowly defined by NY law ...but guilty of
>>>>>>> actions which, legally and colloquially, are considered rape elsewhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at you trying to redefine NY law.
>>>>>> They found him not guilty of rape.
>>>>>> Boy George said no fewer than 10 times that he was found guilty.
>>>>>> Trump sued.
>>>>>> ABC settled because it was an obvious libel.
>>>>>> You stumble around trying to defend Boy George.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You lose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laughter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, laughter is certainly appropriate here.  Just not yours...
>>>>
>>>> Weak response on your part noted.
>>>> You don't seem to do well with facts, do you?
>>>
>>> Not nearly so well as you do with "notes"...
>> 
>> And you evade again.
>
>Uh-oh.  Run out of "laughter"?  Did I "lose" again?
>
>(What do I "redefine NY law" as?  Quote me.  Betcha can't...)
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