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From: Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Bell of Lost Souls] It's Canon: Baldur's Gate 3 Brings D&D To The Vatican
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 11:25:43 -0600
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On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 18:11:40 +0100, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,
Kyonshi wrote: 

>On 11/19/2024 5:32 PM, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2024 19:31:43 -0600, Jhulian Waldby
>> <wichitajayhawks@msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I guess the concern is that players may become unable to differentiate
>>> the truth from the water elemental.  I've noticed this in some Dungeon
>>> Masters who argue rules as if it were a physics laboratory.  Not one
>>> hint of "this is fiction" or "we can't find a rule for that."
>> 
>> Tabletop RPG afficiandos always point to 'rule zero: the DM has
>> ultimate say in what goes, overriding even what the books say.' But
>> few acknowledge that there is --or should be-- a rule -1: the goal of
>> the game is to have fun. And if you, as DM, are pissing off your
>> players, you've broken the most fundamental rule of the game. ;-)
>> 
>> 
>>> Funny though, I haven't heard anyone mention Satanism in D&D for yrs.
>>> That all stopped a week before I picked up Basic Dungeons & Dragons.
>>> Who were those people?  I couldn't tell you, I've forgotten.
>> 
>> Almost entirely people who had not only never played the game, but had
>> never even read the books.
>> 
>> Usually small-minded hypocrites who themselves have such difficulty
>> discerning fantasy from reality that they need an authority (usually
>> religious in nature) to tell them the difference and can't imagine any
>> one else not being so restricted in their thinking.
>> 
>> Yes, these people existed, and they still exist; I had somebody
>> confront me on the game's supposed Satanic connections just a few
>> years ago. They're far less common (and, as mentioned, almost entirely
>> an American construct) but they're still around. And it's not just D&D
>> they have a hate for; Harry Potter, Twilight, tarot cards... it's all
>> burnable to them.
>
>Ah, Harry Potter recently has gotten into their good graces as JKR 
>decided to come out hard against trans women. All of a sudden the 
>previous arguments against HP were forgotten and witchcraft now is A-OK.

Yeah, sure. Maybe check what she actually said?

cf: The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling podcast. "Choke on my trans cock"
may have been said to her at some point.

She actually tried to start a discussion, raised some valid feminist
concerns, and got death and rape threats in return. At one point, she
made the mistake of retweeting someone who _is_ hard-core anti-trans,
probably in ignorance, as a twitchy response to all the threats. That is
the main source of the accusation. It is also understandable.

Too many people want to shut down discussion entirely, generally with
threats of violence. Me and a whole bunch of queer people (myself queer
included) had a reasonable discussion about it on a summer vacation. We
had reasonable differences on the matter and did not agree. Do not
believe the Internet. The LGBT community is diverse and thoughtful.

I don't want to have a debate here. I just want to indicate that what you
say is a common opinion, not fact. The Christian right still thinks she's
a witch. Basically, nobody in any particular "tribe" likes J.K., and I
think she's fine with that, because she's been horribly abused before and
is very resilient.

-- 
Zag

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