Article <bpeenj5cqdb8m2li7b07giula07f90rfv9@4ax.com>

Deutsch English Français Italiano
<bpeenj5cqdb8m2li7b07giula07f90rfv9@4ax.com>

View for Bookmarking (what is this?)
Look up another Usenet article
Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail
From: Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Is Darwinism devolving?
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2025 18:22:22 -0700
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 61
Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org
Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org
Message-ID: <bpeenj5cqdb8m2li7b07giula07f90rfv9@4ax.com>
References: <vl73gr$3hkjv$1@dont-email.me>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89";
	logging-data="76979"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org"
User-Agent: ForteAgent/7.20.32.1218
To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Cancel-Lock: sha1:hXgCmpWUB7tWJcIjUFdu33rWFMk=

On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 16:21:16 -0600, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>:

>https://evolutionnews.org/2024/12/no-2-story-of-2024-darwinists-devolve/
>
>What is the "Darwinism" that West claims is devolving?
>
Since "devolve" is a null concept coined by those who
believe, incorrectly, that evolution has a direction beyond
survival and reproduction in the environment as it exists,
does it matter what he claims?
>
>There was an initial rise for the ID creationist scam, but then it fell 
>on it's face and they started running a stupid bait and switch scam on 
>their supporters over 2 decades ago.  ID perps like Nelson started 
>admitting that the ID science never existed, but that they were working 
>on developing some.  If any ID science had been accomplished with 
>respect to the Top Six, Nelson would have likely quit the ID scam.  None 
>of the Top Six god-of-the-gaps "evidence" supports YEC.  After the bait 
>and switch started to go down Berlinski claimed that he had never 
>supported the ID scam, and he likely had not because all he ever did was 
>put up the junk that had failed the scientific creationist, and had 
>never supported Behe's IC or Dembski's junk.  These are the type of 
>fellows that are still fellows of the ID scam unit.
>
>Brian Miller now makes the list of prominent defenders of the ID scam. 
>Miller is supposed to have a PhD in physics, but he should be known on 
>TO as the ID perp that did not like the original list of the Top Six. 
>Miller supported Sewell's modified list, but removed the Big Bang from 
>Sewell's list.  What does it say when a physics PhD does not want the 
>Big Bang on the list of the best evidence for ID?
>
>The YEC scientific creationists used to use the Big Bang.  It was part 
>of the Gish Gallop and is up at the planetarium at the AIG's creation 
>museum, but it never was anything that the YEC wanted to deal with in an 
>honest and straightforward manner.  It is one of the science topics 
>along with evolution that the creationists have wanted to remove from 
>the science standards in states like Texas, and Oklahoma.  The Kansas 
>creationists succeeded in temporarily removing the Big Band and 
>biological evolution from their state science standards back in 1999, 
>but the other states never did what they wanted to do.
>
>Were Francis Collins and Ken Miller ever Darwinists?  These two are 
>Christians that believe in an interactive God.  They were against ID 
>because it was just a dishonest creationist scam.  They believe that 
>nature is God's creation.  They just understand that life has evolved on 
>this planet for billions of years.  They do not reject their God's 
>involvement, they just acknowledge that the ID scam is basically a scam 
>and bad science.
>
>Ron Okimoto
>
-- 

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
 the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov