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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.quux.org!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Final final 1kHz oscillator Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2024 12:17:34 +0000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 460 Message-ID: <bs81jjt7d064jc1ktmvihgn30qkhf67taj@4ax.com> References: <vglt5t$30a3$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <vgn4gm$3lcor$1@dont-email.me> <vgn740$185g$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> <vgnkgg$3p31a$1@dont-email.me> <vgphhh$2aq3$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2024 13:17:40 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="e5753ce27e12e2d3238ec70b548834c5"; logging-data="410155"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+JcD1WjznHPKYPfB6YbbNnA3CYeSfVUJo=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:m20oRC9yd2WCbS3njQ9zdXbV7Jc= Bytes: 13781 On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 00:49:36 -0500, "Edward Rawde" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >"Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:vgnkgg$3p31a$1@dont-email.me... >> On 9/11/2024 7:39 pm, Edward Rawde wrote: >>> "Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:vgn4gm$3lcor$1@dont-email.me... >>>> On 9/11/2024 7:43 am, Edward Rawde wrote: >>>>> This is the simplest circuit I can come up with. >>>>> Harmonics are more than 80dB down in simulation. >>>>> FFT the last 30 seconds. >>>>> There is only one harmonic stopping me claiming 90dB but the exact FFT result can depend >>>>> on exactly how much output is selected for the FFT. You may see different results. >>>>> > >I have fixed my circuit but it raises more questions than it answers. >This circuit deliberately has no text and no u symbols so should be ready to simulate. >If you let it complete (about 20 minutes on a fast PC) the FFT should show at least 80dB purity and there aren't many harmonics >standing in the way of 90dB. >Startup isn't fast and it takes at least 20 seconds of simulation to fully settle. Spectral purity might be fine for all I can tell but the output amplitude is all over the place, even if the sim is left to run its full course. Also, what's the purpose of the 6 diodes in series at the top of the schematic? If you need to drop 4V there ought to be a more elegant way of doing it! >There are two things I don't understand about my own circuit. > >1. Why does LT1678 work fine in position U2 but LT1057 does not. >2. 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