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From: "Nusrat Rizvi, Rowayton Connecticut" <rizvioct@optonline.net>
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Subject: Re: Condalisa Rice - Aussage zum "Rendition?" / Condolisa Rice - Statements on "rendition?"
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On Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:32:12 +0100, "Ingeborg Denner"
<wildwusel@gmx.de> wrote:

Are you guys so blind not to see the imminent danger of growing Islam
in Europe. You can talk and fight with us all you want but wait till
Muslims take over Europe then all discussions about mistreatment of
prisoners will become moot.


>"Ronald John Bartle" <bartle.berlin@remove-this-freenet.de> schrieb:
>
>> Stimmen diese Angaben?
>>
>> Ich persönlich haben nie von solche Maßnahmen durch Länder außer dem 
>> USA
>> mitbekommen, oder das es ein lange Tradition dergleichen gibt.
>
>Waere aus politischen und oekonomischen Umstaenden heraus
>eher schwierig. Die meisten Bananenrepubliken haben
>ihren Ruf hinreichend ruiniert und keine genuegend guten
>Beziehungen zu ihren Nachbarn - ihre Folter in einem
>Billiglohnland erledigen zu lassen ist fuer sie weder
>moeglich noch effizient.
>
>Ein Beispiel, das mir einfiele, waere die Inquitisition,
>die das tatsaechliche Blutvergiessen dem "weltlichen Arm"
>ueberliess.
>
>(more below in English)
>
>>
>> ron b.
>>
>> -In English:--
>>
>> In the Radio one hears that Secretary of State Rice claims that there 
>> is a
>> long tradition of "rendition" (= the arrest by a particular state in 
>> one
>> country and the transport or interrogation in another country.) It is 
>> also
>> claimed that this practice is followed by a number of other states 
>> and not
>> just the USA.
>>
>>
>> Are these assertions true?
>
>Usually it's up to the person making a claim to prove it.
>Playing coy and making accusations without naming names
>is not even gossip, only a general poisoning of the
>atmosphere.
>
>>
>> I personally have not heard of such measures being practiced by other
>> states - or of thier being a long tradition of the same.
>
>Well, I'm sure Ms. Rice knows at least one Banana republic
>which you or I probably never heard of which behaves worse,
>or has behaved worse some time in known history. The beauty
>of aiming for the second-last place is that you can go far
>(down) with one single bad example.
>
>I remember reading a German dystopian novel some ten years
>back in which renditionsto Turkey were a topic. Maybe Rice
>has read the same book.
>
>inge