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On Wed, 26 Feb 2025 21:14:54 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Feb 2025 20:12:23 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
>
>> Pendragon, do you pay the poets published in your poetry anthology?
>>
>> Do you send the poets published a contributors copy of the poetry
>> anthology you've published them in?
>>
>> Do you charge the poets published for a copy of the book they're
>> published in?
>>
>> If the last answer is yes then you're running a vanity press.
>>
>> HTH and HAND.
>
> Payment vs non-payment doesn't designate something as a vanity press,
> Donkey.
>
> Non-payment = small press/indie press
> partial payment = semi-pro
> payment = professional
>
> This is the industry standard, not my personal opinion.
>
> The annual anthology, again, is best of the monthly ezine, and can only
> be defined in relation to it.
>
> I do not charge anyone for copies.  The book is published through Amazon
> as Print-on-Demand.

Lying Michael, you're selling it on Amazon for $17.70.
https://www.amazon.com/Year-Sundays-Official-Poetry-Journal/dp/B0DWSW8VNL
Amazon didn't set that price; you did.

> Amazon charges for printing costs.  I don't receive
> any money for it.

Once again, HarryLiar, you're charging your writers $17.70 per copy. How
much of that you keep as profit, and how much Amazon takes, is
irrelevant.

> Print-on-Demand came about *after* your brief flirtation with the small
> press, and changed the game (and the rules) entirely.

> Small press publishers no longer send out contributor copies, because
> they no longer print their own copies.

You can send out contributor copies using Amazon, HarryLiar. They'll not
only print the copies but deliver them as well.

> Xeroxed saddle stapled copies are a thing of the past.  Full color
> perfect bound books cost too much money for a small press publisher to
> send out.  So small press publishers adopt different means of paying
> their contribs.

You're using full color on the pages? That's an expense you don't need.
Go to black and white for the inside and you could probably afford to
send a copy to all 23 of your writers (assuming you can sell copies to
anyone else).

> Some allow contribs to open up an online version of their magazine from
> which they can download it.  It's not going to be the same as the
> perfect bound print version, but it lets them get an idea as to how
> their poem would appear in print.
>
> Others offer their contribs copies at a discounted author's rate (which
> is essentially what I do).  They simply charge the authors for cost and
> shipping, then order the p-o-d copy for themselves, and forward it to
> the author.
>
> Again, I don't know of any small press publications today that still
> send comp. author copies as payment.
>
> A vanity press is no longer a magazine that charges contributors for
> print copies; nor is it even a magazine that charges submission/reading
> fees.  Most small, semi-pro, and professional poetry journals now charge
> such fees.
>
> I do not.
>
> A vanity press today, is basically a press that charges for chapbooks
> (as opposed to an author self-publishing).

How does that differ from a commercial press? Don't the latter charge
for the chapbooks they print?