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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: The Return of Michael Monkey
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 05:34:36 +0000
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On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 14:29:07 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 18:01:42 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 16:34:01 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:03:55 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
>>>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>> MummyChunk wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>> Again, why do you lie and misrepresent so much, monkey boy Michael
>>>>>>>>>>> Pendragon?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just curious.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Why is he called "monkey boy"???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It seems that the origin stories vary.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It might come from the Pink Floyd Animals album, Lord of the Flies or
>>>>>>>>>> George
>>>>>>>>>> Orwell's Animal Farm, or possibly a mashup of all three.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm known as donkey, Pendleton is the monkey, Peter J. Ross was called
>>>>>>>>>> Piggy
>>>>>>>>>> (although PJR has been gone from the newsgroup for a couple of years
>>>>>>>>>> now).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think George Dance has always just been referred to as "Dunce"
>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's the basics as I remember them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is a response to the post seen at:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=680817254#680817254
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Again, Donkey, this is the story of how "Monkey" and "Donkey" came
>>>>>>>>> about:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since you've brought me back for one more day, Donkey, I'll answer your
>>>>>>>>> question here (and in the pointless duplicate thread you've created to
>>>>>>>>> ask it again it), as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The origin of "Will Donkey" had nothing to do with Gary Gamble.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gary Gamble had left the group long before my arrival here.  And as far
>>>>>>>>> as I know, I have never interacted with him.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In fact, "Will Donkey" had nothing to do with anything said at AAPC.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I live in a very small house that was built in the 1920s.  I like to
>>>>>>>>> think of it as a rustic cottage or a cozy bungalow.  In order to expand
>>>>>>>>> the living space, one of the previous owners finished the basement, and
>>>>>>>>> turned it into a combination kitchen, dining room and bar.  I keep my
>>>>>>>>> computer down there, so when I'm online, I'm technically in the
>>>>>>>>> basement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> About seven years ago (give or take), my wife sent our youngest child
>>>>>>>>> downstairs to see what I was doing.  He looked over my shoulder while I
>>>>>>>>> was posting something to Usenet AAPC, and shouted up to her "He's
>>>>>>>>> talking to Will Donkey the computer."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since the idea of someone conversing with a donkey on computer is funny,
>>>>>>>>> it immediately became a running joke in our house.  "Daddy's talking to
>>>>>>>>> Will Donkey again," etc).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since stubbornness is one of your strongest characteristics, I
>>>>>>>>> immediately began addressing you as "Will Donkey" in AAPC as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Monkey," otoh, came about when Karen Tellefsen wrote a satirical poem
>>>>>>>>> about our endless flame war here, set to the tune of "Pop Goes the
>>>>>>>>> Weasel." "Pop Goes the Weasel," in case you're unfamiliar with it, is a
>>>>>>>>> nursery rhyme about a monkey chasing a weasel around a cobbler's bench.
>>>>>>>>> In her poem, she replaced "Weasel" with "Donkey" (signifying you, as I
>>>>>>>>> had already started calling you "Will Donkey" at that time). She
>>>>>>>>> retained "Monkey" from the original because I often posted under my
>>>>>>>>> backup account here as "Coco DeSockmonkey."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I remember Coco.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You and George immediately started calling me "Michael Monkey" as a
>>>>>>>>> result.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, I almost always have called you Michael Pendragon, choosing to take
>>>>>>>> the high road and not dink to your low level of childish insults and
>>>>>>>> name calling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You've been calling me a "Little Green Monkey" for the past week or so,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tit for Tat, look it up.
>>>>>
>>>>> No kidding, Pee-wee.
>>>>>
>>>>> It just counteracts your claim that you "almost always have called (me)
>>>>> Michael Pendragon."
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There ypu have it: "Will Donkey" came from my son's misreading of your
>>>>>>>>> name on my monitor, and "Michael Monkey" came from Karen's satirical
>>>>>>>>> poem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That sounds about right except the animal name calling really goes back
>>>>>>>> to earlier times.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mummy Chunks asked you where the "Monkey Boy" name came from -- not when
>>>>>>> calling people by childish animal names began.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, we should start at where it all begins, never mind that you second
>>>>>> handed the idea, Pendragon.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> MummyChunk didn't ask when the childish name-calling began.  They asked
>>>>> about the origin of "Monkey Boy."
>>>>>
>>>>> We should start by answering the actual question that was asked.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Okay, fair enough, let's do that.
>>>
>>> I did.
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> The problem with you is that you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael
>> Pendragon.
>
> That simply isn't true, Donkey.
>
> The problem is that you lack basic vocabulary and composition skills and
> are consequently incapable of expressing yourself clearly.
>
> What you actually write is often very different from what you later
> claim you'd intended to say.
>
> You also seem to think that the bottom of the barrel, sleazy lifestyle
> you present yourself as having is something to boast about.
>
> You cannot blame me, or anyone else, for misrepresenting you.  You have
> painted a most unflattering picture of yourself (intentionally and
> otherwise).  I am just responding to the things that *you* have said.
>
>
>> I'll have a look at your response and correct the lies and
>> misrepresentations and set the record straight.
>>
>> After I make myself a cup of coffee and find your original post.
>
> What "lies" do you expect to find, Donkey?
>
> Are you going to claim that I don't live in a small house?

I couldn't care less one way or another.

> That Karen did write a "Pop Goes the Weasel"
> inspired poem?

I don't really remember Karen's poem that well but probably.