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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery) Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems Subject: Re: Ginsberg's Rorschach poetry Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2025 21:43:00 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <c5094cd8ace446ffc62654b07f4ee373@www.novabbs.com> References: <ac81be14-6257-4c4c-ad78-e9c8be0cc39a@googlegroups.com> <f5f9d9ee-61f6-46bf-94ee-238571622fa0n@googlegroups.com> <a33b63c9108e2c5c390f35b051a64d54@news.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2707508"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="Vf9CM7g99yqfGvzEHTw0bhrjcIfvzYBBhUuRma0rLuQ"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Posting-User: acd0b3e3614eaa6f47211734e4cbca3bfd42bebc X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$uVl9LligjOhrf6rko6Tv9eSeDLaoZzqOe0eazePsRf/BoZivpYKJW General Zod wrote: > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoerotic_poetry > >> ***************************** > >> Homoerotic poetry is a genre of poetry implicitly dealing with same-sex >> romantic or sexual interaction. The male-male erotic tradition >> encompasses poems by major poets such as Abu Nuwas, Michelangelo, Walt >> Whitman, Federico García Lorca, W. H. Auden, Fernando Pessoa and Allen >> Ginsberg. In the female-female tradition, authors may include those such >> as Sappho, "Michael Field", "Marie-Madeleine" and Maureen Duffy. Other >> poets wrote poems and letters with homoerotic overtones toward >> individuals, such as Emily Dickinson to her sister-in-law Susan >> Huntington Gilbert. > >> English poetry > >> Sonnet 20 >> The most prominent example in the English language and in the Western >> canon is that of Sonnet 20 by William Shakespeare. Though some critics >> have made efforts to preserve Shakespeare's literary credibility by >> claiming his work to be non-erotic in nature, no critic has disputed >> that the majority of Shakespeare's sonnets concern explicitly male-male >> love poetry. The only other Renaissance artist writing in English to do >> this was the poet Richard Barnfield, who, in The Affectionate Shepherd >> and Cynthia, wrote homoerotic poetry. Barnfield's poems, furthermore, >> are now widely accepted as a major influence upon Shakespeare's.[1] > >> In the twentieth century, W. H. Auden and Allen Ginsberg became well >> known as poets. In Great Britain the pederast Ralph Chubb lived in >> poverty and produced his own books in limited editions made from >> illustrated engravings (similar to methods employed by William Blake), >> which he then erased.[citation needed] > >> During the 19th century the British gay poet Digby Mackworth Dolben was >> little known; however, in the last decade Lord Alfred Douglas produced a >> major volume of Dolben's homoerotic poems (1896) published in Paris, >> written in both English and French translations after the trial of Oscar >> Wilde for homosexual offences brought about largely by Wilde's love for >> Douglas. Wilde in De Profundis, a poem about his prison experiences >> which broke him and led to his death in 1900 in Paris, produced an >> enduring poem. At the same time A. E. Housman gave voice to gay feelings >> of fear and guilt in a still-criminalized situation in his A Shropshire >> Lad (1896). In the twentieth century Noël Coward wrote witty gay poems >> while the magician Aleister Crowley wrote works in English.[citation >> needed] > >> The British savant Anthony Reid created the largest male homosexual >> anthology of poems: The Eternal Flame (2 volumes, 1992–2002) which he >> worked on for nearly fifty years; publication of the second volume was >> held up by the publisher going bankrupt. The Canadian gay poet Ian Young >> produced the first major bibliography with his works The Male Homosexual >> in Literature (2 editions, the second being expanded). The Australian >> gay poet Paul Knobel's CD-ROM 'An Encyclopedia of Male Homosexual Poetry >> and its Reception History' (2002) is the largest survey of the subject >> and comes to one million words with overviews covering over 250 >> languages and language groups. He has also published A World Overview of >> Male Homosexual Poetry (2005). Gregory Woods has produced other studies, >> including a history of gay literature with some reference to >> poetry.[citation needed] > >> The period since gay liberation (from 1968) has produced dozens of gay >> poetry anthologies (e.g. 2 edited by Ian Young alone and others by >> Winston Leyland producer of the gay lib periodical Gay Sunshine, which >> included poetry); this has mainly been the result of the increasing >> decriminalisation of gay sex in the Anglo world (male homosexual acts >> were decriminalized in France in the late 18th century and in Italy in >> the late 19th). Notable United States gay poets include Dennis Cooper, >> Gavin Dillard, John Gill, Dennis Kelly, Tom Meyer, Paul Monette, Harold >> Norse and Jonathan Williams. Rob Jacques has written about the >> relationship between love and violence in the military.[2] Jamse S. >> Holmes was a leather poet who emigrated to Amsterdam. Daryl Hine from >> Canada and David Herkt and Paul Knobel from Australia have written fine >> gay poems. New Zealand has a vibrant gay culture and has produced some >> gay poets. The Canadian gay poet Edward A. Lacey was run over in the >> street while drunk in Bangkok; repatriated to Canada, he remained >> bedridden until his death. His complete poems were only published in the >> early 21st century. The British poet Thom Gunn lived in the United >> States and wrote a notable volume inspired by AIDS (which has produced >> several anthologies) > >> ******************************* You nailed it again, Zod.