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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
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Subject: Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the
 conventional HP proof
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2025 16:24:04 -0400
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On 7/4/25 4:16 PM, olcott wrote:
> https://claude.ai/share/48aab578-aec3-44a5-8bb3-6851e0f8b02e
> 

Since you LIE with the following statement;

Termination Analyzer HHH simulates its input until
it detects a non-terminating behavior pattern. When
HHH detects such a pattern it aborts its simulation
and returns 0.

Since there is no such pattern in the input, since its execution halts, 
since HHH DOES return 0 as you stipulated, this statement is just a lie 
of asserting the existance of a condition that doesn't exist.

Note, its first conclusion was:

Both analyzers correctly identify the termination behavior, 
demonstrating that the halting problem's undecidability doesn't prevent 
practical termination analysis in specific cases where patterns can be 
detected.

Note the conditional WHERE PATTERS CAN BE DETECTED. Since there is no 
correct pattern, HHH can't detect what doesn't exist, and thus if it 
ACTUALLY did what you claimed was its algorithm, it would run forever 
and fail to be a decider.

So, all you are doing is proving that you logic is based on lying, and 
that AI isn't smart enough yet to detect that lie.