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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: Ray Bremser
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2024 04:36:08 +0000
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General-Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 8:13:47 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca
>> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 11:22:35 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> > On Sunday, March 1, 2015 at 9:17:24 AM UTC-5, George Dance wrote:
>>
>>> > > > > > > > Today on The Penny Blog:
>>> > > > > > > > > If Winter Remain, by Clark Ashton Smith
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>  It must have began with this post ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Probably so.

>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > Hateful, and most abhorred,
>>> > > > > > > > > about us the season
>>> > > > > > > > > of sleet, of snow and of frost
>>> > > > > > > > > reaches, and seems unending
>>> > > > > > > > > as plains whereon
>>> > > > > > > > > lashed prisoners go
>>> > > > > > > > > [...]
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2015/02/if-winter-remain-clark-ashton-smith.html
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Aha, I remember Clark Ashton Smith from my later childhood
>>> days, when I was steeped in Edgar Allan Poe, H.P. Lovecraft, Robert E.
>>> Howard, Baudelaire and Rimbaud, the Cthulu Mythos, and all the lurching
>>> shambling horrors that went with it. Great stuff, and very influential
>>> on the Shadowville scene.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Here's a groovy quote from C.A.S.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > "The nostalgia of things unknown, of lands forgotten or
>>> unfound, is upon me at times. Often I long for the gleam of yellow suns
>>> upon terraces of translucent azure marble, mocking the windless waters
>>> of lakes unfathomably calm; for lost, legendary palaces of serpentine,
>>> silver and ebony, whose columns are green stalactites; for the pillars
>>> of fallen temples, standing in the vast purpureal sunset of a land of
>>> lost and marvellous romance. I sigh for the dark-green depths of cedar
>>> forests, through whose fantastically woven boughs, one sees at intervals
>>> an unknown tropic ocean, like gleams of blue diamond; for isles of palm
>>> and coral, that fret an amber morning, somewhere beyond Cathay or
>>> Taprobane; for the strange and hidden cities of the desert, with burning
>>> brazen domes and slender pinnacles of gold and copper, that pierce a
>>> heaven of heated lazuli."
>>> > > > > > > > -Clark Ashton Smith, "Nostalgia of the Unknown"
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > I'm glad you know of that tradition (which I didn't until I
>>> started working on PPP). I wonder if Michael does, since it's the one he
>>> actually works within. It's a shame, really; if it weren't for the
>>> Mickey Mouse Act of 1998, all their works would be public domain by now,
>>> and everyone would probably be well aware of them; but nowadays one
>>> won't find any of their poetry without digging for it.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > When I was publishing "Penny Dreadful," I corresponded with a
>>> lot fellow
>>> > > > > > writers with similar tastes (most of them living in England);
>>> and was a member > of The Doppelganger Society which published a
>>> broadsheet that focused on horror > and fantasy writings from that
>>> period.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Sorry if I was unclear. I'm sure you know a lot more about the
>>> Cthulu writers' horror fiction than I do. And I'm sure that nearly every
>>> reader has at least heard of it. I was referring to their poetry: I'd
>>> had no idea that Smith, Lovecraft, Howard, and Frank Belknap Long all
>>> wrote Romantic/Gothic poetry, too; that's the part I fear may be being
>>> forgotten. I've never read a word in any poetry texts or anthologies
>>> that I've read (mind you, that's true of a number of top-notch poets,
>>> like Vachel Lindsay and Alfred Noyes, as well). As far as academia is
>>> concerned, their poetry never existed. And, due to the absurd U.S.
>>> copyright term, the Internet can't be counted on to fill the vacuum,
>>> either.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I'm familiar with some of Lovecraft's poetry, but nothing by Smith
>>> or the others. It would be great if you could put some more of them on
>>> TPB.
>>> > >
>>> > > I'll start searching those authors today; thanks for the leads.
>>> > >
>>> > > I can use some poetry by Lovecraft, since he died in 1937, which
>>> makes all the work he published in his lifetime in the public domain in
>>> Canada. Unfortunately, though, like Howard his poetry doesn't seem to
>>> have been collected in book form until the mid-1950s, which makes it all
>>> under copyright in the U.S. for at least another 30 years.
>>> > >
>>> > > On the bright side, his fans haven't let that stop them from putting
>>> it on the Net, and the copyright holders seem to be lax about having it
>>> taken down. There are a lot of sites that have printed Lovecraft's
>>> poetry, of which this one looks like the most comprehensive
>>> > >
>>> > > http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/#poetry
>>> >
>>> > Yes, the fans of H.P. Lovecraft are, oddly, similar to those of the
>>> Grateful Dead, and the copyright holders seem to have similar stances as
>>> far as letting the material be presented on the fan sites, et cetera...
>>> the slightly harder to find works, and in the case of the Dead, almost
>>> every performance has been recorded in some form or another.
>>> >
>>> I changed the subject header, BTW, in the hope of making the Lovecraft
>>> links easier to find in a search later.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> This could be the reason this thread is broken. ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
>
>>> > Another poet I've been reading, actually pointed out to be by Lisa
>>> Scarboro from her "Poratble Beat" volume is the very obscure Beatnik
>>> poet Ray Bremser, who pretty much began and ended his poetry career with
>>> one 1965 small press chapbook:
>>> >
>>> > anyway, funk is when
>>> > thelonious monk peeps
>>> > above the bamboo shades
>>> > to see the piana setting there,
>>> > bald and bold ... monk looks at it,
>>> > while the bass run and the drummer
>>> > bugs him with the cymbal ... 6 days sleepless ...
>>> > monk looks ... perfectly zonked and
>>> > loafing on the stool ... he looks
>>> > and looks
>>> > and the bass and drummer meet
>>> > like flys making it on the mid-air,
>>> > attracting, (at least,) the ears
>>> > of monk, who lifts his hands
>>> > and lets them fall on the keys in
>>> > commentary; with whut's funk.
>>> > -Ray Bremser
>>> >
>>> > Read more at:
>>> > http://www.blacklistedjournalist.com/column74g.html
>>> >
>>> > [POEMS OF MADNESS was originally published in 1965 by PAPER BOOK
>>> GALLERY and reprinted by WATER ROW PRESS, PO Box 438, Sudbury, MA 01776.
>>> These excerpts from POEMS OF MADNESS appears here with the permission of
>>> Jeffrey Weinberg, publisher of WATER ROW PRESS and literary executor of
>>> the poet's estate.]
>>> >
>>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Bremser
>>> >
>>> > "Ray Bremser (February 22, 1934 - November 3, 1998) was an American
>>> poet. Bremser was born in Jersey City, New Jersey. He began writing
>>> poetry there and sent copies to Allen Ginsberg, Gregory Corso and LeRoi
>>> Jones (Imamu Amear Baraka), who published his poems in 'Yugen' and threw
>>> a big party for him when he got out of jail in 1958..."
>>> Thanks for the leads. I've added Bremser into PPP, using the wiki
>>> article, and adding a few links (including the one to the above book)
>>> and a video. I compiled a new bibliography: turns out he published at
>>> least 6 books, right up to his death in the late 90s. As a bonus, I even
>>> found (and referenced) a mention of him in a Dylan poem:
>>>
>>> http://pennyspoetry.wikia.com/wiki/Ray_Bremser
>
>> ***