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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
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Subject: Re: Defining a correct simulating halt decider
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2024 10:38:01 -0400
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On 9/7/24 9:56 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 9/7/2024 3:27 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2024-09-06 11:42:48 +0000, olcott said:
>>
>>> On 9/6/2024 6:19 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 2024-09-05 13:24:20 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/5/2024 2:34 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-09-03 13:00:50 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/3/2024 5:25 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-09-02 16:38:03 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A halt decider is a Turing machine that computes
>>>>>>>>> the mapping from its finite string input to the
>>>>>>>>> behavior that this finite string specifies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A halt decider needn't compute the full behaviour, only whether
>>>>>>>> that behaviour is finite or infinite.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> void DDD()
>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>    HHH(DDD);
>>>>>>>    return;
>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> New slave_stack at:1038c4
>>>>>>> Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation   Execution Trace Stored 
>>>>>>> at:1138cc
>>>>>>> [00002172][001138bc][001138c0] 55         push ebp      ; 
>>>>>>> housekeeping
>>>>>>> [00002173][001138bc][001138c0] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; 
>>>>>>> housekeeping
>>>>>>> [00002175][001138b8][00002172] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>>>>> [0000217a][001138b4][0000217f] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call 
>>>>>>> HHH(DDD)
>>>>>>> New slave_stack at:14e2ec
>>>>>>> [00002172][0015e2e4][0015e2e8] 55         push ebp      ; 
>>>>>>> housekeeping
>>>>>>> [00002173][0015e2e4][0015e2e8] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; 
>>>>>>> housekeeping
>>>>>>> [00002175][0015e2e0][00002172] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>>>>> [0000217a][0015e2dc][0000217f] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call 
>>>>>>> HHH(DDD)
>>>>>>> Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation Stopped
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hence  HHH(DDD)==0 is correct
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice to see that you don't disagree with what said.
>>>>>> Unvortunately I can't agree with what you say.
>>>>>> HHH terminates,
>>>>>
>>>>>> os DDD obviously terminates, too. No valid
>>>>>
>>>>> DDD emulated by HHH never reaches it final halt state.
>>>>
>>>> If that iis true it means that HHH called by DDD does not return
>>>> and therefore is not a ceicder.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The directly executed HHH is a decider.
>>
>> If the called HHH behaves differently from the direcly executed HHH
>> then the DDD is not relevant to classic proofs of the impossibility
>> of a halting decider.
>>
>> If you can't show encoding rules that permit the encoidng of the
>> behaviour of the directly executed DDD to HHH then HHH is not a
>> halting decider.
>>
> 
> I SHOW THE ACTUAL EXECUTION TRACE AND EVERYONE DISAGREES WITH IT.
> 

You show an INCORRECT trace, as the CALL HHH instruciton MUST be 
followed by the first instruction of HHH.

The fact that you are just lying is a good reason for people to disagree 
with you.

The fact that you keep repeating the lie just proves that you are 
nothing but a pathological liar, and NOTHING you say should be taken as 
anything reliable.

Sorry, that is the facts, you have just proven yourself to be a habitual 
liar, and that is the fate of people like that.