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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!pasdenom.info!from-devjntp Message-ID: <cGLopKEv1S9qR2nNCvaF8IqKf-s@jntp> JNTP-Route: news2.nemoweb.net JNTP-DataType: Article Subject: Re: Langevin's paradox again References: <FER4K03RCuXsBiIlfVNSgR0vilQ@jntp> <v6v2l5$3pri7$1@dont-email.me> <LS4aWQk6smoI8nPu6CSU96H5gYQ@jntp> <v710l9$7u9s$1@dont-email.me> <h2wfltG60Qx3kQd2ONdS3W4MJKs@jntp> <v71c86$a0te$1@dont-email.me> <fCidXYmBeggYm31OO1-5v64V0S8@jntp> <v736bn$mo0c$1@dont-email.me> <yX3K1wOobcIp1KzCuRuRL0Htcvg@jntp> <v73otr$ptku$1@dont-email.me> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity JNTP-HashClient: rDE9JGPSa_zy6ygKXMgzAKZD3NU JNTP-ThreadID: sxhQQgyUgiiv6OcO_6O_beeL7bk JNTP-Uri: http://news2.nemoweb.net/?DataID=cGLopKEv1S9qR2nNCvaF8IqKf-s@jntp User-Agent: Nemo/0.999a JNTP-OriginServer: news2.nemoweb.net Date: Mon, 15 Jul 24 19:38:15 +0000 Organization: Nemoweb JNTP-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/126.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Injection-Info: news2.nemoweb.net; posting-host="e8cbf2474b472b9bb79db3dccb6a856bc1d05409"; logging-data="2024-07-15T19:38:15Z/8949861"; posting-account="4@news2.nemoweb.net"; mail-complaints-to="julien.arlandis@gmail.com" JNTP-ProtocolVersion: 0.21.1 JNTP-Server: PhpNemoServer/0.94.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-JNTP-JsonNewsGateway: 0.96 From: Richard Hachel <r.hachel@wanadou.fr> Bytes: 3195 Lines: 31 Le 15/07/2024 à 20:14, "Paul.B.Andersen" a écrit : > > I can only give you the answer according to SR. > You will find all the equations and the method to > solve the problem here: > https://paulba.no/pdf/TwinsByMetric.pdf Lots of interesting things, but a lot of things repeated from what relativists say, and which is not a personal thought. This is all very interesting but it is difficult to have an honest and coherent discussion on this for several reasons. The first being that the position of the relativists is today a matter of dogma, almost in the same way as Christian or Muslim dogmas. I agree on some things (I'm not a crank who denies everything), but I disagree on others. It is very difficult today to attack the SR, even partially, even with enormous arguments. SR has apparently become more of a faith than a science, and this is not normal. It becomes almost impossible to correct errors that are however clear, even if only in the correct explanation of Langevin. The SR is totally incoherent in the face of Hachel who will protest by saying that the apparent speeds are contradictory if we do not apply the notion of reciprocity of relativistic effects on lengths AND DISTANCES, which will explain why OBSERVABLE speeds instantaneous are incorrect, and why the use of real speeds brings a lot of understanding to the whole, which will also explain that the metric of rotating frames of reference is abstract and completely false. But I repeat it clearly, the problem is human, and even in the face of theoretical evidence, humans will still say "it is impossible that I am wrong". R.H.