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From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery)
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Subject: Re: The poetry of Robert Creeley
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 14:47:30 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 14:32:14 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> Reposted for context:
>>
>> ***
>>
>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 12:01:28 +0000, NancyGene wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 6:33:52 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> "The Collected Poems of Robert Creeley 1945 - 1975"
>>
>> https://www.imghippo.com/i/gJIH8498pOk.jpg - Title page
>>
>> https://www.imghippo.com/i/QhcG5616is.jpg - Index of Titles and First
>>>>>>> Lines, pp. 664-665
>>>
>>>>>>> There is no poem listed called "The Days Pile Up," and there is no first
>>>>>>> line of "The days pile up like unread newspapers,"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your move, George Dance.  The other book of Mr. Creeley's poems is at:
>>>>>>>  https://dokumen.pub/the-collected-poems-of-robert-creeley-19752005-9780520941670.html
>>
>>>>>>> No "The Days Pile Up" in there either.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> We have had the link (and access to the book) since we started looking
>>> for the phantom poem.  The poem is not in that book (or any other book).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was given the information on the poem by a trusted source;
>>>
>>>>>> but given
>>>>>> this claim of yours that it doesn't appear in [/Collected Poems of
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>> Creeley 1945 - 1975/], and Creeley's claim (quoted on Amazon) that that
>>>>>> [book contains everything he published up till 1975,] I think I'll have
>>>>>> to wait till the
>>>>>> copy I ordered on Amazon is in my hands and I can see for myself if it's
>>>>>> actually in that book or not. I don't see any reason to make a move
>>>>>> until then, so you'll just l have to wait.
>>>
>>>>>> Since it will take me longer to receive the book than it would take you,
>>>>>> I've asked Will to not give the group any information on it. I've read
>>>>>> HarryLiar's made-up stories about why Will won't tell you the name of
>>>>>> the book, so I think it's best for me to tell you that much at least.
>>>
>>>> I was given the information on the poem by a trusted source; but given
>>>> this claim of yours that it doesn't appear in /Collected Poems,
>>>> 1945-1975/ plus Creeley's claim (quoted on Amazon) that that book
>>>> contains everything he published up until 1975, I think I'll have to
>>>> wait till the copy I ordered on Amazon is in my hands and I can see for
>>>> myself if it's actually in the book I ordered or not. I don't see a
>>>> reason to make any "move" till then, so you'll just have to wait.
>>>
>>> It's up to you, but we will expect a full apology from you and Mr.
>>> Dockery for calling us a "plagiarist"
>>
>> I didn't call Nancy Gene a plagiarist but the opening lines of both
>> poems are obviously similar.
>>
>>> and "second hander."  We write our
>>> own poetry and have no need to plagiarize anyone else's.
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> Of course, I wrote a very similar opening line back in 1976 that has
>> been visible online for at least a decade, and I hadn't seen the Robert
>> Creeley poem either, "The seconds have piled up at the floor..."
>>
>> https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=256444&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#256444
>>
>> ***
>>
>>  Shattered
>>
>>  The seconds have piled up
>>  at the floor
>>  lost here in some other guy's past
>>  lying there
>>  with your seconds piled
>>  there went by a life
>>  untold
>>  unasked
>>  going by
>>  never caused and never traced
>>  the future never ever appears here.
>>
>>  If some morning I wake
>>  here for you
>>  trying to find some reason to return
>>  if I see things denied
>>  I once defined
>>  a life just passed me by there
>>  slipped through my fingers
>>  everything here now is real
>>  so wait.
>>  That portion of the finish
>>  never comes.
>>
>>  Now that the lights are going so low
>>  the dimming glow
>>  falls on my ego
>>  now that I'm falling
>>  into my morning
>>  here I am gazing into those
>>  reflector eyes
>>  morning light
>>  is blasting my head clean too.
>>  Morning's clearer
>>  I've been forgetting it.
>>
>>  Your thoughts seem to stream
>>  like a highway
>>  dimming lights seem to streak
>>  like hitch-hikers.
>>  When does this dream end?
>>  When do I get on up the road?
>>  The light sped out
>>  like a fire-fly
>>  like gravestones
>>  never noticed
>>  never seen.
>>  Like marbles
>>  spilling from shattered minds.
>>
>>  -Will Dockery / August 20 1976
>>
>> ***
>>  (Published March 1977 in the Carverlite, the Carver High School
>>> newspaper, Columbus Georgia)
>>
>> From:
>> https://shadowville-mythos.blogspot.com/2023/09/shattered.html?m=1
>>
>> I didn't accuse you  (Nancy Gene) of borrowing my line, but they are
>> very similar opening lines.
>>
>> ***
>>
>> HTH and HAND.
>
> Why do you keep reposting this twaddle, Donkey?
>
> Seconds metaphorically pile on top of a floor; they don't pile at top of
> it.
>
> If you can't learn to speak your native language correctly, the least
> that you can do would be to correct yourself when someone points out
> your mistakes.
>
> --

I'm listening, Harry, and agree "on" rather than "at" is how it should
be.

I won't whine about my English teacher who was advisor of the staff of
the high school newspaper who made or approved this change during
typesetting, but will definitely change it back a.s.a.p.

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