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Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!panix!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: herst@online.nl (Herman) Newsgroups: rec.music.classical Subject: Re: Mahler 5 / Vienna Philharmonic / Bernstein / 1988 (live) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 12:22:58 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <cb0b56d664ecc3352915046b6e631167@www.novabbs.com> References: <letv3hFgpb2U2@mid.individual.net> <letvq0Fh2e3U1@mid.individual.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2460359"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="u5JRzIY8XcRrV8CO4PWdCuYA7N6Xwa50Gr8h8dZ470w"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Posting-User: f9b524a32842e0afb8d08dbd825ed1dc40e8958b X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$AD/4ifW7.Rg69cBOO.EVOOQSwlHMDDVib5TmzEn86dh/RH/.3to4. X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Recently I watched a documentary about Edo de Waart, from a couple years back. He talked about the time he won the Mitropoulos conducting competition, in 1964. As a result of this he got to assist with Leonard Bernstein and the NYPO for a year. Decades later he was still shocked how bad the orchestra was back then and how Bernstein was happy with the ugly sound he created. 'Like a tin bucket'. Why do I quote this? I think with Bernstein a lot of it is just his charisma what you're hearing and if you don't buy the charisma it can happen you hear a tin bucket.