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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 19:40:53 -0400
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On 3/27/25 2:10 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 3/27/2025 6:02 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 3/26/25 11:47 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 3/26/2025 10:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 3/26/25 11:09 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 3/26/2025 8:22 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>> [00002173] 8bec       mov  ebp,esp  ; housekeeping
>>>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>>> [0000217f] 83c404     add  esp,+04
>>>>> [00002182] 5d         pop  ebp
>>>>> [00002183] c3         ret
>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>>
>>>>>> Non-Halting is that the machine won't reach its final staste even 
>>>>>> if an unbounded number of steps are emulated. Since HHH doesn't do 
>>>>>> that, it isn't showing non-halting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DDD emulated by any HHH will never reach its final state
>>>>> in an unbounded number of steps.
>>>>
>>>> But DDD emulated by an actually correct emulator will,
>>>
>>> If you were not intentionally persisting in a lie you
>>> would acknowledge the dead obvious that DDD emulated
>>> by HHH according to the semantics of the x86 language
>>> cannot possibly correctly reach its final halt state.
>>
>> And if you were not intentionally persisting in a lie, you would admit 
>> that your HHH doesn't do that, as it stops before it finishes.
>>
>>>
>>> The behavior that DDD specifies to HHH <is> the behavior
>>> that it must report on.
>>
>>
>> Which, by the definition, is the behavior of the directly executed DDD, 
> 
> That is counter-factual.
> The behavior IS WHAT IT IS and that includes
> recursive emulation.
> 

Finitely recursive emulation, since the emulator stops emulating after a 
finite number of steps and returns.

Sorry, you just don't understand what a real program is.

I don't know if Olcott-Programs have any use from how you talk about them.