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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Cap C-V test Date: Sun, 04 May 2025 12:07:28 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 40 Message-ID: <cdef1kpugc7fp73cip22srcodicqkefha0@4ax.com> References: <sik71k9uvbqacp964bvlc5317ga12gu9al@4ax.com> <vv6bc3$lohn$1@dont-email.me> <loid1kl3cb3c0m0hi5dvno24q5vk545gof@4ax.com> <slrn101ej5j.57e.news-1513678000@a-tuin.ms.intern> <sise1ktbgsfon557kkgmr6deh0lif9pepg@4ax.com> <k19f1k9i7o5ho19a05hvi4jt6dj7bso9jr@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 04 May 2025 21:07:30 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7c8cc625fedab6743d72bb79939db2e1"; logging-data="2783510"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/LTP7qXXPCGyztoGMYh/j9" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:/BVbd2IkhuigjMTsf/5Do7fTHGI= On Sun, 04 May 2025 18:31:20 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote: >On Sun, 04 May 2025 07:27:55 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >wrote: > >>On 4 May 2025 11:17:07 GMT, Michael Schwingen >><news-1513678000@discworld.dascon.de> wrote: >> >>>On 2025-05-04, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Two of those caps in series would make about half the capacitance of >>>> two in parallel, but ESR and ESL would suffer by 4:1. >>> >>>Not really - according to your measurements, at 25V, the caps should have >>>about 1.46uF, so the series combination has 0.73uF instead of the 0.83uF of >>>the parallel combination. >>> >>>cu >>>Michael >> >>One cap is .83 at 50 volts. Two in parallel would be 1.66. >> >>The series pair is about .73 as you note. That assumes that the DC >>voltage divides equally. >> >>Ceramic cap nonlinearity is weird. To get the most C, is it always >>better to pick the cap with the highest nameplate capacitance? >> >>Some caps are 1/5 their rated C at their rated voltage. Bad for timing >>circuits. > >Essential to test 'em then! Are you really getting SRFs as low as just >a few K? I wasn't measuring SRF. I eyeballed the -3 dB point where the cap impedance was 50 ohms. Maybe 1 nH and 2.2 uF would have its SRF null around 3 MHz.