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On Sat, 02 Nov 2024 09:08:36 -0700, john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 02 Nov 2024 15:41:11 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Sat, 02 Nov 2024 07:55:18 -0700) it happened john larkin
>><JL@gct.com> wrote in <dnecijt2s9um4l6a4qnq3j0ekto8fl955d@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>On Sat, 02 Nov 2024 07:42:19 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On a sunny day (Fri, 1 Nov 2024 18:04:21 -0000 (UTC)) it happened Cursitor
>>>>Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote in <vg3575$3bio0$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>>You can call me old fashioned, but I still believe there's never been a 
>>>>>more elegant computer language than the original K&R C. You can keep the 
>>>>>rest; I'll stick with that.
>>>>
>>>>Agree, I use C only and asm when needed.
>>>>I started with binary interfacing hardware...
>>>>Nothing of all of that was hard.
>>>>
>>>>BASIC was fun too, but very limiting, slow interpreted language.
>>>
>>>PowerBasic is a fabulous compiler. We did one contest, an array math
>>>signal processing thing. I wrote it in PB, another guy in c. Mine ran
>>>4 times as fast.  He played with the code and compiler optimiztions
>>>for a couple of days and got it up to about 60% as fast as my PB
>>>version.
>>>
>>>I used the obvious FOR loop with subscripts to scan the array. He used
>>>pointers.
>>>
>>>c is really a PDP-11 assembler. In the early days of PDP-11
>>>programming, everybody was fascinated with using pointers to wander up
>>>and down the world, and with pushing stuff onto the stack. It shows in
>>>c now.
>>
>>I use for example C on my PCs and the Raspberry Pis I have.
>>C is yery portable, libraries and open source applications everywhere.
>>gcc is a nice compiler that supports many architectures.
>>Stuff I wrote for the PC in C comp[iles and runs on the Raspberries...
>>This Usenet newsreader I use now I wrote in the late nineties when moving to Linux
>>as there was no Free Agent for Linux...
>>Still using it, now posting from a Pi4 8 GB.
>>It uses linked lists, I have a database of Usenet postings going back to these days.
>> https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/index.html
>>There are some compatibility issues, but that is because the graphics library I use
>>had some changes, but can work around it.
>>More C code:
>> https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/download.html
>>There is a simple 8052 assembler written in C on that webpage too.
>>And a z80 dissasembler .
>> https://panteltje.nl/panteltje/z80/index.html
>>etc etc
>>My website is basic html.
>>
>>
>
>The guy who wrote the PDP-11 assembler said that it was really a
>language processor. We built several cross-assemblers as macros within
>the PDP-11 assembler, including the 6800, 6802, 6803, and 68332
>processors.

Steve Gibson of grc.com is heavily into PDP-8s and his site has a good
selection of info on 'em if anyone's interested.

>Amazingly, Digikey will still sell you a 68332.

Price?