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Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes <noreply@example.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2025 09:35:10 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <cf476759004844fcce1468e2d8b157ea9a87aef9@i2pn2.org> References: <vrfuob$256og$1@dont-email.me> <vrt3gv$264jb$4@dont-email.me> <448c82acff6b5fc1d2aa266be92df6f778ec2c6a@i2pn2.org> <vru5tp$38ob9$1@dont-email.me> <ac61f679d7ddb39b0ceaedd7f562899d36346535@i2pn2.org> <vrvccp$aq8m$3@dont-email.me> <e166831a8e02332d64ec151f61481e2629e6e53a@i2pn2.org> <vrvsh4$p4vd$2@dont-email.me> <c93030bbd81fb313c76c256c6e54beb48b07dfdd@i2pn2.org> <vs1vuv$2ot1m$1@dont-email.me> <d2f86fad6c5823e3c098f30d331576c52263b398@i2pn2.org> <vs2fgn$354gv$5@dont-email.me> <vs2u3v$3mcjm$2@dont-email.me> <vs434l$mmcb$3@dont-email.me> <vs45a3$resr$1@dont-email.me> <vs4ne1$1c1ja$1@dont-email.me> <vs4ovc$1e09p$1@dont-email.me> <vs4pg8$1c1ja$6@dont-email.me> <vs4pi9$1e09p$2@dont-email.me> <vs4qpp$1c1ja$7@dont-email.me> <vs4r2u$1e09p$3@dont-email.me> <vs4snt$1c1ja$9@dont-email.me> <e11c6f4f29bb0c77dbd10f8e20bca766712977d0@i2pn2.org> <vs50kt$1c1ja$15@dont-email.me> <vs5r0j$2f37e$1@dont-email.me> <vs6srk$39556$12@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2025 09:35:10 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2228780"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Am Fri, 28 Mar 2025 14:21:24 -0500 schrieb olcott: > On 3/28/2025 4:43 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >> Op 28.mrt.2025 om 03:13 schreef olcott: >>> On 3/27/2025 9:04 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 3/27/25 9:07 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 3/27/2025 7:38 PM, dbush wrote: >>>>>> On 3/27/2025 8:34 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 3/27/2025 7:12 PM, dbush wrote: >>> No TM can take another directly executed TM as an input and Turing >>> computable functions only compute the mapping from inputs to outputs. >>> >> If A TM can only compute the mapping from *its* input to *its* output, >> it cannot be wrong. > > Taking a wild guess does not count as computing the mapping. A > termination analyzer must be able to prove what the behavior of its > input is. It can't simply take a wild guess. No, *you* must prove its correctness. The analyser can just report, or it is wrong. Also simulation is not guessing. We know the answer is the halting status of the direct execution. -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.