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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: How a True(X) predicate can be defined for the set of analytic knowledge Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2025 18:31:49 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <cf72583a1a71a2ec11669e72f3ed07ba8e9adc9b@i2pn2.org> References: <vrfvbd$256og$2@dont-email.me> <vrh432$39r47$1@dont-email.me> <vrhami$3fbja$2@dont-email.me> <vrj9lu$1791p$1@dont-email.me> <vrjn82$1ilbe$2@dont-email.me> <vrmpc1$bnp3$1@dont-email.me> <vrmteo$cvat$6@dont-email.me> <vru000$33rof$1@dont-email.me> <vrug71$3gia2$6@dont-email.me> <0306c3c2d4a6d05a8bb7441c0b23d325aeac3d7b@i2pn2.org> <vrvnvv$ke3p$1@dont-email.me> <vs0egm$1cl6q$1@dont-email.me> <vs1f7j$296sp$2@dont-email.me> <vs3ad6$2o1a$1@dont-email.me> <vs4sjd$1c1ja$8@dont-email.me> <vs63o2$2nal3$1@dont-email.me> <vs6v2l$39556$17@dont-email.me> <vs8hia$13iam$1@dont-email.me> <vs8uoq$1fccq$2@dont-email.me> <vsb4in$14lqk$1@dont-email.me> <vsb9d5$19ka5$1@dont-email.me> <vsdlq8$3shbn$1@dont-email.me> <vsemub$th5g$4@dont-email.me> <vsg1gh$2ehsf$1@dont-email.me> <vsh9ko$3mdkb$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2025 22:32:12 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2733437"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 In-Reply-To: <vsh9ko$3mdkb$3@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2967 Lines: 30 On 4/1/25 2:00 PM, olcott wrote: > On 4/1/2025 1:36 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2025-03-31 18:29:32 +0000, olcott said: >> >>> On 3/31/2025 4:04 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2025-03-30 11:20:05 +0000, olcott said: >>>> >>>> You have never expressed any disagreement with the starting points of >>>> Tarski's proof. You have ever claimed that any of Tarski's inferences >>>> were not truth preserving. But you have claimed that the last one of >>>> these truth preservin transformation has produced a false conclusion. >>>> >>> >>> It is ALWAYS IMPOSSIBLE to specify True(X) ∧ ~Provable(X) >>> (what Tarski proved) when-so-ever True(X) ≡ Provable(X). >>> https://liarparadox.org/Tarski_275_276.pdf >> >> Tarski's proof was not about provability. Gödel had already proved >> that there are unprovable true sentences. Tarski's work is about >> definability. >> > > https://liarparadox.org/Tarski_275_276.pdf > Step (3) is self-contradictory, thus his whole proof fails. > Yes, and since that step was logically done, it says somewhere we assumed something incorrect. The assumption we made was that a Truth Predicate existed, so that can't be true. You apparently don't understand how logic works.