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Path: ...!news.misty.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: My 66000 and High word facility Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 20:08:55 +0000 Organization: Rocksolid Light Message-ID: <cfa0a9c4bda9421fee8ce512bdcd58bf@www.novabbs.org> References: <v98asi$rulo$1@dont-email.me> <38055f09c5d32ab77b9e3f1c7b979fb4@www.novabbs.org> <v991kh$vu8g$1@dont-email.me> <2024Aug11.163333@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> <v9b57p$2rkrq$1@dont-email.me> <v9brm4$33kmd$1@dont-email.me> <e369e386b23628e5388e95b5a92af62d@www.novabbs.org> <v9jij9$lk6a$1@dont-email.me> <v9jjjn$lofu$1@dont-email.me> <v9k38n$rg2a$1@dont-email.me> <v9mklt$1air0$1@dont-email.me> <1bf2c13fc41cf8aeca4a746052c03ce3@www.novabbs.org> <v9oqjo$1k775$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2929737"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="65wTazMNTleAJDh/pRqmKE7ADni/0wesT78+pyiDW8A"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$1rIdWOb7akzIz.CMGAqDwelj36EOj9YTLPWjFyv1TR3w2494tEnB6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: ac58ceb75ea22753186dae54d967fed894c3dce8 Bytes: 3246 Lines: 50 On Sat, 17 Aug 2024 0:24:24 +0000, Brett wrote: > MitchAlsup1 <mitchalsup@aol.com> wrote: >> >> When HW is doing the saves, it does them in a known order and >> can mark the registers "in use" or "busy" instantaneously and >> clear that status as data arrives. When SW is doing the same, >> SW ahs to wait for the instruction to arrive and then do them >> one-to-small numbers at a time. HW is not so constrained. > > Ok, so the hardware is smart enough. The Instructions and the compiler's use of them were co-developed. > But has anyone told the software guys? Use HLLs and you don't have to. > Of course convincing programmers to RTFM is futile. ;( Done with Instructions in HW one has to convince exactly two people; GCC code generator and LLVM code generator. > > If so this is the first I have heard that more registers is not bad for > interrupt response time. They are also bad for pipeline stage times. > So we are back to finding any downsides for 64 registers in My 66000. Encoding pipeline staging context switch times For example, My 66000 current encoding has room for 8 instructions in the FMAC category (4 in use) with 6-bit register specifiers I would need 4 major OpCodes instead of 1. For your 98%-ile source code, 32-registers is plenty. > Lack of actual significant benefits is irrelevant, as all the programers > are 100% convinced that it will help some of their code. ;) > >> For example a 1-wide machine with a 4-ported register file, >> generally operated as 3R1W can be switched to 4R or 4W for >> epilogue or prologue uses respectively. Simulation indicates >> this gets rid of 47% of the cycles spent in prologue and >> epilogue (combined compared to a sequence of stores and loads) >> Simulation also indicates that 42% of the power is saved-- >> mainly from Tag and TLB non-access cycles. >>