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Path: ...!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.supernews.com!news.supernews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2024 21:55:41 +0000 From: John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Practical resistor accuracy distribution Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2024 14:53:48 -0700 Organization: Highland Tech Reply-To: xx@yy.com Message-ID: <cqsq2j1q6e91a8jbeefuur8sfqgcso92db@4ax.com> References: <v0hbbg$3us12$2@dont-email.me> <ilgo2jtvl18iqiv4t6eumqdkciu5rti2cg@4ax.com> <t2po2j9mif95u0lg1m6drskj54pf5dl27s@4ax.com> <00pq2jh2o2ru6qqlp4bs79f4bn5s95agu7@4ax.com> <ksqq2jthglli8duia5nd78scf6o0mv4nar@4ax.com> <l5sq2jp8a9ntpmlc8tqdslkscrcljednh7@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.1/32.783 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 68 X-Trace: sv3-nkNFwJL1SQtLcw3e4yp9bA+445OdwRQW1iroNmqBQO1xiSUi+aXzqwmAkxKqOB4kDYrHf+C224QYRGo!24eN+ywH+NXk1wX5ozVYDYozSoBYmNZSFsUTKZ5IzXST7hamI2Ku14OxLGp8EiOQDBRZPqoyDwVx!8LsTgA== X-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html X-DMCA-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 3657 On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 17:41:10 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote: >On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 14:24:43 -0700, John Larkin ><jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote: > >>On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 16:47:29 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 19:38:07 -0700, John Larkin >>><jjSNIPlarkin@highNONOlandtechnology.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 20:16:48 -0400, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 00:54:41 +0200, Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund >>>>><klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Hi >>>>>> >>>>>>I needed to look into distribution of accuracy of resistors. >>>>>> >>>>>>Vendors don't have any info, but luckily some nice people online have >>>>>>done measurements: >>>>>> >>>>>><https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/smd-resistor-distributions/> >>>>>> >>>>>><https://lambdafox.com/resistor-tolerances/> >>>>>> >>>>>The thing to be aware of is that resistor value distributions are >>>>>often wildly non-Gaussian. The classic example is where there are >>>>>grades, say 1%, 5%, and 20%. The 5% group will often have a hole that >>>>>happens to match the 1% distribution perfectly. >>>>> >>>>>A lot of modern resistors are made with a relatively wide >>>>>distribution, and then machine-sorted into bins. In this case, many >>>>>of the bins will have uniform distributions. And so on. >>>>> >>>>>Joe Gwinn >>>> >>>>I suspect that they may laser trimmed and shipped, not binned. >>>> >>>>One batch on a reel could be very close to one another. >>> >>>Also possible, and maybe a combination of both? >>> >>>But the fundamental point is that one must measure to be sure, unless >>>one is a large enough customer that the manufacturer will simply tell >>>you. >>> >>>Joe Gwinn >> >>We just assume that all 1% resistors are within 1%. >> >>We buy 0.1% and some 0.05% parts too. Since most of our products have >>software-based calibration, we mostly care about resistor tempcos, not >>so much tolerances. > >Yes, and calibration will wash all those strange-distribution woes >away. > >Joe Gwinn One could cal out tempcos, but test time would be outrageous. We are bidding on one unit that might need that. Yuk. The alternative is to, basically, ovenize the PCB.